I'm not saying all the goodwill + plaudits for Amelia Gentleman's Windrush exposes are totally negated by this, but running dubious Conservative Party adverts when they already have the greatest part of the print press already doing this is a very bad move on many levels for The Graun imo.
― calzino, Saturday, 6 October 2018 22:36 (five years ago) link
Amelia Gentleman is married to Jo Johnson, please don’t forget that.
― suzy, Saturday, 6 October 2018 23:10 (five years ago) link
didn't they do this semi-regularly in the Cameron era? was always puzzled by what the Guardian thought they stood to gain from it
― still wackford after all these squeers (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 6 October 2018 23:14 (five years ago) link
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Not wanting to pay your site mods overtime is not owning the consequences of your liberal above-it-all bullshit!
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 6 October 2018 23:18 (five years ago) link
xpI can't remember that, but it wouldn't surprise me if they had Cameron/Cooper talking about "difficult decisions" or whatever back then, because they were all singing from the hymn sheet then and who could really tell the difference?
― calzino, Saturday, 6 October 2018 23:19 (five years ago) link
jfc, news to me.
― FRE SHA VAC ADO (jed_), Sunday, 7 October 2018 00:04 (five years ago) link
"what have you been up to today then?" "ah, the usual!"
― calzino, Sunday, 7 October 2018 00:19 (five years ago) link
"just tried to get my pal Toby Young into an important education job .. oh how is the Windrush piece going! ... etc
― calzino, Sunday, 7 October 2018 00:27 (five years ago) link
here are some book covers and illustrations and murals by amelia g's dad david (i love his book art, his paintings -- mostly of fancy british houses -- i find less interesting tbh: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ce/67/d9/ce67d9e4b470b7f0d934fb35c4b01ba8.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/e0/4c/3de04c8de70b2ad0f25af0dc3a7521dd.jpghttp://citytransport.info/Digi/P1270315a.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/de/Ironmanhughesadamson1968.jpg/220px-Ironmanhughesadamson1968.jpghttps://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41FamLdCV5L._SY373_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
fenella in greece is one of a series: checking the dates, I don't think fenella can be based on amelia -- he has two other daughters by earlier marriages but I can't source their names. I only know the greece one: the illustrations are evocative and the text is quite sweet -- a small child discovers abroad! -- though all very evidently extremely middleclass also…
― mark s, Sunday, 7 October 2018 15:55 (five years ago) link
he is a very good illustrator tbf!
― calzino, Sunday, 7 October 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link
lovely stuff
― Leon Carrotsky (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 7 October 2018 16:01 (five years ago) link
studied under edward bawden, if tim is reading -- most obvious in the first image (bawden also illustrated cookery books)
― mark s, Sunday, 7 October 2018 16:03 (five years ago) link
Yeah I really love David Gentleman's work.
I love this also, which is by his dad, Tom Gentleman (love it so much we have it up in our flat)
https://www.tate.org.uk/art/images/work/P/P01/P01705_10.jpg
― Tim, Sunday, 7 October 2018 21:13 (five years ago) link
that's tremendous.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 7 October 2018 22:17 (five years ago) link
just thinking about thos ales.
― calzino, Sunday, 7 October 2018 22:27 (five years ago) link
David Gentleman is still going and did (does?) posters for the Stop The War coalition.Quite a career.http://www.davidgentleman.com/resized/WEB-11-PROTEST---08.jpg
― Ned Trifle X, Monday, 8 October 2018 08:32 (five years ago) link
i think at this point it would be fair to regard the guardian as the enemy, excepting a few individual journalists
― imago, Thursday, 18 October 2018 13:45 (five years ago) link
Honestly my favourite thing about using a content blocker for my phone is never seeing their pleas for money to fund their terf/racist/apologist shit again. That editorial was a disgrace, but it’s just the latest in a long line of shit.
― gyac, Thursday, 18 October 2018 14:00 (five years ago) link
What piece are youse referring to?
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 18 October 2018 14:03 (five years ago) link
the editorial on the Gender Recognition Act I presume. tldr. Knew it would be a load of hateful shite.
― calzino, Thursday, 18 October 2018 14:06 (five years ago) link
Yep, that’s the one.
― gyac, Thursday, 18 October 2018 14:07 (five years ago) link
what exactly do terfs get out of it
― imago, Thursday, 18 October 2018 14:14 (five years ago) link
When I say terfs I don’t mean women; in fact, terfs are much more likely to be men. Women are for the most part, very supportive of trans women. People claiming terf means women are deliberately trying to peddle a fake misogyny narrative. It’s a position based on transphobia.— Lily🌹Madigan (@LilyMadigan99) October 9, 2018
Who knew men were the radical feminists and not women?
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Thursday, 18 October 2018 14:20 (five years ago) link
you are all joking, surely? the vilest and most hateful part of that particular debate has come from the radical trans wing, abuse from whom against lesbian feminists particularly has been shocking. i was extraordinarly relieved to read even that level support from the guardian.
― FRE SHA VAC ADO (jed_), Thursday, 18 October 2018 14:27 (five years ago) link
show your...working?
― imago, Thursday, 18 October 2018 14:28 (five years ago) link
what?
― FRE SHA VAC ADO (jed_), Thursday, 18 October 2018 14:29 (five years ago) link
I’m not sure how you can equivocate people doing their best to smear all trans people as paedophiles and rapists against whatever you’ve been seeing? Or the crowd who were out in Manchester the other night approaching random men and warning them trans women were a threat to their daughters?
― gyac, Thursday, 18 October 2018 14:30 (five years ago) link
in what way is it inspiring?
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 01:34 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i guess this is not the thread where you can question the question, though.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 5 June 2018 01:47 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^ jed is a terf and I claim my £5
― Colonel Poo, Thursday, 18 October 2018 14:31 (five years ago) link
that's not what they were doing, it was a couple of activists, not a crowd. conversely, I haven't seen any feminist activists label all trans men as paedophiles and rapists. I have, however, seen trans labour councillors telling (women's councillors!) labour women with concerns to "go fuck themselves" (lilly Madigan) or to "go and suck my big lady cock" (tanya love) if they disagreed with trans women having access to women's safe-spaces.
― FRE SHA VAC ADO (jed_), Thursday, 18 October 2018 14:37 (five years ago) link
Thank you for that paste, saves me engaging further here in good faith and wasting any time. As we all know by now, civility is the most important part in a debate about human rights!
― gyac, Thursday, 18 October 2018 14:44 (five years ago) link
hey jed, go fuck yourself
― imago, Thursday, 18 October 2018 14:51 (five years ago) link
thank you.
― FRE SHA VAC ADO (jed_), Thursday, 18 October 2018 14:57 (five years ago) link
Twitter is unbearable now due to this stuff, can we not spread it here please?
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 18 October 2018 14:59 (five years ago) link
I have no idea what the fuck just happened.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Thursday, 18 October 2018 15:01 (five years ago) link
which stuff
the stuff where some people deny others their personhood and effectively recommend suicide, or the stuff where people resist this
― imago, Thursday, 18 October 2018 15:01 (five years ago) link
The bit where any opinion became binary (lol the irony) based on a hyperbolic definition of the opposing stance.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Thursday, 18 October 2018 15:05 (five years ago) link
i suppose. but this is one case where i feel strongly that one stance is getting nothing out of it except...well, i don't know
― imago, Thursday, 18 October 2018 15:08 (five years ago) link
Nobody is getting anything out of it, it's just two groups of people who I generally like shouting at each-other about things like reposting things from other people who once said something that implied something else and all I can get out of it is anxiety and a feeling that nothing will ever be resolved again.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 18 October 2018 15:12 (five years ago) link
This debate can't get more depressing for me; it's sub-Brexit now
― stet, Thursday, 18 October 2018 15:22 (five years ago) link
terf patter much more popular in the uk than it is in canada thankfully. a big thing i notice about the debate in the uk is how disingenuous the terfs are, talking about dangers of "men" using women's services when the majority of uk services for women ran by feminists, such as a rape crisis centres etc. are already trans inclusive and have been for ages!
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 October 2018 16:28 (five years ago) link
(thankfully for me who lives in canada i should note)
Just a little over 10 years ago I was biding time on the waiting list for my flat at women’s accommodation and one of my fellow residents was trans. She had all sorts of problems because her family had shunned her but nobody - not the service users or the people on staff - were in the least bit worried about her not being woman enough, or a threat to other women.
Most ‘gender critical’/terf people have zero experience of interacting with trans people and mein gott, it shows.
― suzy, Thursday, 18 October 2018 16:39 (five years ago) link
The Scottish press seems v. exercised about this, more so than in the rest of the UK as far as I can tell
― stet, Thursday, 18 October 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
I wouldn’t have thought it was physically possible to be more het up about it than The Times, which seems to have made it the central plank all other news is slotted around as space allows.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 18 October 2018 16:55 (five years ago) link
the paper of record loves a culture war and i guess campus safe space type pieces lost some of their luster, trans people make a better bogeyman.
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 October 2018 16:59 (five years ago) link
the safe spacers are the ones who've turned cop in the trans wars. or at least, the terfs are using safe space rhetoric to assert their arguments. snowflakes imo
― imago, Thursday, 18 October 2018 17:10 (five years ago) link
intersectional language being used to justify bigotry is going to be big in our future. i saw mike cernovich use "bodies" in a tweet yesterday
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 October 2018 17:12 (five years ago) link
I think there's a general confusion about what ppl understand by 'trans' which isn't helping things.
― kinder, Thursday, 18 October 2018 17:16 (five years ago) link
maybe; equally we haven't had a good internecine ukilx bunfight in a while and this might be our hour
― imago, Thursday, 18 October 2018 17:17 (five years ago) link
I've been wondering for months when it was gonna arrive tbh but if there's one place worse than Twitter for nuanced debate it's ilx
― kinder, Thursday, 18 October 2018 17:18 (five years ago) link