one thing i really get the sense of over the past couple years is the idea of reinventing the concepts of "justice" from scratch. particularly in this response of "everybody does bad things", which is just flabbergasting misdirection. yes, pretty much all straight men have at some point behaved in a sexually inappropriate manner towards a woman or multiple women, but somehow people, particularly straight men, have such profound difficulty getting the fairly simple concept that instances of wrongdoing can differ in severity. and that's not even getting into the brain-melting concept of forcing a collective notion of "forgiveness" which systemically excludes the victims of assult and abuse. gah. i understand not getting this shit because for most of my life i didn't fucking get it either, but good god how much more obvious does it have to become until enough people accept these basic facts that we can start, you know, addressing them?
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Saturday, 29 September 2018 22:00 (seven years ago)
pretty much all straight men have at some point behaved in a sexually inappropriate manner towards a woman or multiple women
I hate this kind of argument - it cant be proven (everyone will have different anecdotal experience), and it’s implication is that male heterosexuality is inherently mysogynistic
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 29 September 2018 22:08 (seven years ago)
yeah its shit tbf rly
― Dmac TT (darraghmac), Saturday, 29 September 2018 22:18 (seven years ago)
― Οὖτις
well my implication was rather that we live in a society built on male supremacy, not about the alleged inherent nature of male heterosexuality. emphasizing individual experience over the systemic social and cultural factors that drive real-world behavior is what drives exceptionalist bullshit like #notallmen. i consider denial of maleness and of male privilege to be similarly toxic as the denial of whiteness and of white privilege.
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Saturday, 29 September 2018 22:46 (seven years ago)
the medal ceremony has been postponed indefinitely fyi
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 29 September 2018 22:51 (seven years ago)
that's ok, i don't get any anyhow, i'm a wookiee
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Saturday, 29 September 2018 22:56 (seven years ago)
there's an array of threads on maleness for this tangent
this story about cristiano ronaldo could be huge
http://www.spiegel.de/international/cristiano-ronaldo-kathryn-mayorga-the-woman-who-accuses-ronaldo-of-rape-a-1230634.html
― ogmor, Sunday, 30 September 2018 12:04 (seven years ago)
ugh that Ronaldo story. I knew my irrational hatred of this guy was justified.
― Roz, Sunday, 30 September 2018 15:06 (seven years ago)
Thread on the CR7 story:
This is a thread about the rape allegations vs. @Cristiano: About our research @derSpiegel, about Ronaldo's reaction and a little insight into why the alleged victim Kathryn Mayorga speaks out about the case nine years later. This is the story btw: https://t.co/fwv26PhCSx 1/24— Christoph Winterbach (@derWinterbach) September 30, 2018
― groovypanda, Monday, 1 October 2018 11:29 (seven years ago)
anyone know why this story is in the sun and not the guardian?
― ogmor, Monday, 1 October 2018 14:32 (seven years ago)
There was some talk on Twitter that his lawyers have come down pretty heavily on the British media with warnings over how they report this. Not sure how much truth there is in that although that thread does mention something similar.
― groovypanda, Monday, 1 October 2018 16:32 (seven years ago)
This br4d k3rn fella looks like a MF w/ some dark secrets
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/ncis-new-orleans-producer-brad-kern-fired-by-cbs-1148613
― piscesx, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 21:53 (seven years ago)
― ogmor, Sunday, September 30, 2018 5:04 AM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
really trivial amount of coverage of this in sports press as far as i can see - i.e. covered broadly enough but not as a big headline anywhere
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 3 October 2018 18:38 (seven years ago)
i think most Americans at least only know him as the douche in that stupid underwear commercial where he is sexually harassed
― Nhex, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 20:10 (seven years ago)
less coverage in north america, which is about the only place he isn't an A list star, is justified. not so much in europe
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 3 October 2018 20:15 (seven years ago)
So I guess it's too late now to consider the bottle-opener possibilities.https://demandnewspaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/serie-a---juventus-v-u-s-sassuolo-2.jpg
― how's life, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 20:46 (seven years ago)
The replies to this are predictably depressing
Whatever the legal outcome, this is awful from Juventus: pic.twitter.com/3ZDNkscTdx— Gary Lineker (@GaryLineker) October 5, 2018
― groovypanda, Friday, 5 October 2018 11:00 (seven years ago)
aziz ansari can still fuck off btw. remember when he was pitching himself as mr. guy who gets ithttps://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/aziz-ansaris-new-standup-tour-is-a-cry-against-extreme-wokenessalso master of none was overrated rich kid wank
― maura, Saturday, 6 October 2018 14:08 (seven years ago)
Master of none sucks and is gross
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 6 October 2018 14:21 (seven years ago)
Not that anyone cares about poetry but this #MeToo issue of the Chicago Review brings together some of the best poétesses writing in English: http://chicagoreview.org/metoo/
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 October 2018 14:52 (seven years ago)
“poetesses”seriously dude?
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 October 2018 15:25 (seven years ago)
Thinking in French, sorry. I dislike the constant use of 'female' in English.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 October 2018 15:26 (seven years ago)
just say poet like a human then
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 October 2018 15:27 (seven years ago)
But they're all women – and that's part of the point? I'm confused.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 October 2018 15:28 (seven years ago)
forget it
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 October 2018 15:32 (seven years ago)
Women poets would be the preferred nomenclature
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 6 October 2018 15:44 (seven years ago)
I realise that 'poétesse' sounds odd to native English speakers. For what it's worth, I find both 'female poet' and 'woman poet' to be even odder, perhaps because I often parse them as 'a woman who happens to be a poet', whereas the French variant strikes me as 'a poet who happens to be a woman'. Anyhow, my apologies if I offended anyone.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 October 2018 15:53 (seven years ago)
Master of None was good, it's disappointing he's on this trip now. Maybe all the credit for the show belongs to Alan Wang.
― akm, Saturday, 6 October 2018 17:34 (seven years ago)
the correct term for girl poet is 'poetette'
― akm, Saturday, 6 October 2018 17:38 (seven years ago)
poette
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 October 2018 17:51 (seven years ago)
Perfect.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 October 2018 17:54 (seven years ago)
The whole “Louie/Master of None/Atlanta” breathless praise about middlebrow TV *auteurs* reminds me of living through Arcade Fire/Decemberists
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 6 October 2018 18:41 (seven years ago)
i feel like it's easy to fake out people and turn your perfectly decent and average show a bit prestige with the right presentation and "authorship" at the center
― omar little, Saturday, 6 October 2018 18:47 (seven years ago)
pomenitul most English speakers who don’t like saying “female X” because of how it sounds will say “woman X” if it needs to be made obvious these days. Female-declined nouns are deprecated in most circumstances. Women actors are just “actors” outside of Oscar categories for the most part; hardly anybody would ever say poetess or comedienne or the like unless they were being ironic. The only exception I can think of is “dominatrix”, because nobody calls a male dom a “dominator”
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Saturday, 6 October 2018 18:49 (seven years ago)
it's dominatron, you worm
― j., Saturday, 6 October 2018 18:54 (seven years ago)
Sorry sir
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Saturday, 6 October 2018 18:54 (seven years ago)
god forbid speaking more than language and confusing the two
― groovemaaan, Saturday, 6 October 2018 18:56 (seven years ago)
silby, I get that (see my thought-process above), except for the 'actor' part – I wasn't aware of the backlash against 'actress'. What I don't understand is how in France, for example, you're taught to avoid emphasising what distinguishes you from the Archetypal Faceless French Citizen yet the language itself almost always compels you to specify the subject's gender (except for certain hotly debated instances, such as auteur or écrivain). Whereas in the US, where identity politics is far more prevalent (to say the least), linguistic neutrality is often preferred, even recommended. This is a highly simplified view, of course. Anyway, the two countries should trade languages for a day just to see what happens.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 October 2018 19:32 (seven years ago)
― maura, Saturday, 6 October 2018 19:38 (seven years ago)
tbf, everything reminds him of that
― mookieproof, Saturday, 6 October 2018 19:42 (seven years ago)
he’s not wrong in this case though
― maura, Saturday, 6 October 2018 19:44 (seven years ago)
tru
― mookieproof, Saturday, 6 October 2018 19:45 (seven years ago)
The whole “Louie/Master of None" breathless praise about middlebrow TV *auteurs* reminds me of living through Arcade Fire/Decemberists
fixed
― montoya (Ross), Saturday, 6 October 2018 19:53 (seven years ago)
I guess when your language doesn't come with binary grammatical genders, it's easier to conceive of 'poet' as inherently neutral, whereas if you argue that 'poète' is potentially neutral, it's still hard to get past the fact that the grammatical neuter is merely vestigial in modern French (it's essentially indistinguishable from the masculine). If anything, reactionary old coots who hide behind the Académie française to justify their misogyny love bringing up the so-called 'neuter'. So while you can indeed argue that describing a woman poet as a 'poète' is progressive, there's still no reason why you shouldn't be allowed to say 'une poétesse', since 'poète' already forces you to pick between 'un' and 'une' (unless, once again, you assume the masculine and the neuter are one and the same, which is problematic, at least in a French context). English doesn't really have to deal with these dilemmas so it's easier to just subsume it all into neutrality.
xps
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 October 2018 19:59 (seven years ago)
Also I've never watched Master of None but I agree that Arcade Fire and the Decemberists are (were?) overrated af.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 October 2018 20:00 (seven years ago)
I think Louie was important in terms of how it opened up possibilities for TV production models (everything on scale, shot on the cheap, no writer's room to speak of) but in the long run, I think other people will make more durable work with a similar model. (Atlanta is closest I think, though it's more collaborative. )
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Saturday, 6 October 2018 20:28 (seven years ago)
Also it’s rock bands that don’t rock vs comedy shows that aren’t funny(maybe Atlanta is funny, I’ve never seen it)
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 6 October 2018 20:40 (seven years ago)
Also, don’t get me wrong, Louie obviously had some hilarious parts but it wasn’t always 22 minutes of comedy like Seinfeld or 30 Rock or w/e
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 6 October 2018 20:42 (seven years ago)
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― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Saturday, 6 October 2018 20:46 (seven years ago)
Atlanta doesn’t deserve to be lumped in with the Decemberists
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 6 October 2018 21:01 (seven years ago)