The longest, freakiest conspiracy email yet. MUST READ! Opinions please!

So if my next album, a dismal and gloomy opus, sells a million copies because the world has post-WTC blues, I become the new number one terror suspect? Makes sense...

It works for Enron, but I'm not so sure it work for someone staffed in the mail department at Enron who made an Enron blues album.

'our mission...

American Freedom Net, Inc. provides the American people with an alternative source of information free from the propaganda and liberal bias of the national television network newscasts.  Proudly proclaiming our constitutional right to freedom of the press, American Freedom Net, Inc. is an independent news network dedicated to exposing corruption, foreign intelligence espionage, government tyranny, unconstitutional laws and regulations, socialism, political correctness, media bias, political propaganda, the erosion of American sovereignty and UN global governance.

our purpose...

American Freedom Net, Inc. is dedicated to upholding the noble Christian and patriotic heritage of our honorable Founding Fathers of the United States of America.  As a news reporting organization, we zealously guard the historic roots of this great nation under God.  We affirm our commitment to the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution of the United States of America.  We believe our rights come from God - not government.  We believe it is the duty and responsibility of all citizens to safeguard our freedoms and liberties from all forms of tyranny - including the tyranny of a national news media that has made an alliance with national and international political and corporate interests to abolish the sovereignty of the USA and force Old Glory to bow to a global governmental system based in the United States.

I agree that some guy has got ahold of a whole bunch of facts and factoids and created a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories generally have a conspiratorial spin on them. This email made me consider the possibility that the USA had a lot to gain from this war; strengthening ties with allies and destroying a common enemy, monetary gains, shuffling old problems under the carpet, etc. If anything, to me, this just read as an international governmental conspiracy, not a "Jews are ruining the earth conspiracy". But, that could be simply because I disregard that sort of thinking as idiotic. Governments aren't very trustworthy- that much is true. But, it's quite another thing to believe you can't trust "the jews".

I got this email because I have a hotmail account that apparantly belonged to someone named "Corey" at one point and I get about 80 spams in 2 or 3 days. I actually read this one because it's subject was "911, very interesting reading".

Fritz, thank you very much for saying that. That took a heapload of weight off my chest. Honestly, I blazed through the middle of that email the first time (the part about JFK didn't even stick to my ribs, as I'm sick to death of that conspiracy). I should have put a disclaimer at the beginning, but I thought we would all see this email for what it was and people would proceed into interesting point/counterpoint arguments about what is actually factual in the post. I really didn't think we'd get stuck on this antisemetic bent and I apologize to anyone who believes I am not sympathetic to this.

As for previous "antisemetic" posts I've been accused of making, this was in regards to an anti-RELIGION (all sorts) website. Ethan went to the website, found a page about zionist ethnic cleansing and offered it as proof that I was an antisemite. The website, in fact, was attacking all religions based on their cultural history and faulty scripture, fault beliefs, faulty leaders that lead to crimes against humanity.

I'm not a Christian right-winger or a bigot in the least bit.

In Queens, where I live, I've overheard all kinds of conversations from all sorts of people (not Muslims) that will murmur about how they feel the US bombed it's own buildings. I've heard it getting my hair cut, in a bar, at a diner, in a bagelry. It really made me mad each time, because shortly after 911 I really was convinced it was Bin Laden and Al Quaida and that these people just found it more exciting to be contrary and suspicious.

I am still fairly convinced, but I can also see this whole thing as some sort of set-up. What's scary about it to me is that things seem to have been set in motion for a NWO big brother planet. I am NOT scared that Jews are taking over the earth!!

Some of the things I'm talking about were presented in the email (i.e. new laws further infringing on our rights and internet rights), but also just weird things like implant ID chips with global satellite tracking systems that are supposed to prevent terrorism, nationwide banks have been loosening regulations to prevent illegal aliens from setting up accounts for some reason in the past 4 years, the eurodollar is invented. I know it's out there stuff that I shouldn't be overly-concerned with, but if I think about it from a different perspective, I realize that the world really is getting smaller and smaller. I can see a NWO actually happening in the next century and all the events that caused it will seem less coincidental as time marches on and the history books take one perspective on these issues. The winner gets to write the history books, right? Most believe what's "commonly believed", leaving those with contrary viewpoints to hang out with the Moonies and the loonies. I think a lot of people believe JFK was assassinated by our gov't, but most everyone else is content to think they're weirdos.

i still think if you'd taken ten minutes to format it and make yr position clearer at the outset then you might have got a bit quicker to the discussion YOU wanted to have about it, and not have to wade through ppl guessing

the channel four doc abt the structural reasons for the collapse of the WTC was very detailed and interesting. it felt like a britmade programme so maybe it hasn't shown in the US...

Oh well, it would be nice if anyone had any further thoughts regarding 911, but I'm doubting this thread has much of a future. Sorry for the upset.

Would anyone like to talk about 911 as a conspiracy and the probabilities of each of the (quite possibly) unrelated coincidences? We could really go beyond this antisemetism thing if we tried.

NWO theories fall at the same fence, don't they?: is the US govt already secretly on board and enthusiastically for an NWO, or is it being blackmailed/tricked/bludgeoned into NWO-land against its will... because some of the evidence "points" one way and some the other, but the two cancel each other out.

Makes you think, doesn't it?

Yeah, it's not much different than fashion judgements. It takes a little bit of thought to get this line of reasoning. I don't expect you'll "get it" anytime soon. Tell ya what, research "genius". You'll soon discover you ain't one regardeless of what that fop of a rag, the Voice, has to say regarding your lameass art.

Certain people here know precisely who I am. Nude Spock is very knowable, in fact. Ask around. I've received big fancy awards for being this prick. Ned?

"Life was just a downer till now and you turned me on and oh wow!!!"

Who knows me, personally, by the way? just curious. I just watched Waking Life again and would like to talk about it with real people (heybuddy@hotmail.com).

I don't care if you're famous or who the hell you are. What exactly is your point?

Which is just boring.

So, in fact, you destroyed your own argument but creating a sense of false importance about yourself. I mean - I emailed Momus as retrolover and asked him a question once whereas he replied.

I really do not think that Momus is self absorbed, well, as self absorbed as any artist (which you have to be to some extent).

Oh well - I am babbling - I regret now asking several of my "important" threads to look at your argument and contribute, Nude Spock. Cause you are a bit of a fathead, are you not?

Which is just boring.

So, in fact, you destroyed your own argument but creating a sense of false importance about yourself. I mean - I emailed Momus as retrolover and asked him a question once whereas he replied.

I really do not think that Momus is self absorbed, well, as self absorbed as any artist (which you have to be to some extent).

Oh well - I am babbling - I regret now asking several of my "important" friends to look at your argument and contribute, Nude Spock. Cause you are a bit of a fathead, are you not?

You let me down by bringing in irrationality and personal ego issues and then said that you thought everyone, including Momus was incredibly self absorbed!

Go back to arguing the original points of the argument. Otherwise you lose ground....and it gets weighted down.

The question is - can he sustain an argument?

When I saw the images of September 11 I cried observing so much destruction, especially of human lives, and to those people and their families my simpathy. But, after abrief review of information available to all, I am saddened at the fact that these lives may have been lost not at the hands of traditional "terrorist", but other kind, the kind that you may reach a conclusion.

Not too long ago, in a recent TIME Magazine,(May 20, 1992, Pg 9) there's an article regarding a book ("The Horrifying Fraud".- by Thierry Meyssan) with a new theory about September 11. This article also includes three pictures. Pictures of surveillance cameras posted at the side of the Pentagon building where you fail to see an "airplane" impacting its side. We all were made to believe this.

Additionally it is mentioned that meysan discounts "...expert explanations that the violence of the impact and heat of the explosion caused a virtual atomization of the jet...". I would direct your eyes to (1) August 7 2000 issue of Newsweek Magazine Pg. 42 where it shows debris of this fateful flight (please notice its colors-charred black), (2) Newsweek, July 29 1996, pgs 14-15. I appologize (to families of victims) for citing these as I would like to draw your attention to them. Regardless of size, there is always remains of an airplane.

Time September 24 1991 pgs 34-35 show the zise of an aircraft impact yet on 66-67 there is quite a different outlook of destruction. On Newsweek September 24, 2001 pgs. 18-19 you will find a picture of the Pentagon. I may be inclined to believe that the building, due to its nature has a sturdy design, but fortunately for the people inside the area fo destruction only covers the span of 5 to 6 windows, and a closer peek of another picture Newsweek June 10, 1992 pg 8-9 reveal that three windows down the destroyed area, the "glass windows" survided the extreme heat and impact of the airplane, and on page 1 of this same issue, the picture is quite clear as one can make out several items that were inside the offices before the... explosion??? except one thing... an airplane. Astonishingly, even colors stand out in this area where in other incidents, the predominant color was charred black.

In this same issue it recalls the possible agencied that bungled and did not foretell the attacks. But it is quite interesting what it is said about the investigation of the quasi pilots "...Neither man lost sight of the primary mission: learning to fly airplanes.... but they were impossible to teach... both men (had) a half-dozen classes on the ground before taking them up in a single engine Cessna in "MAY" (emphasis added)... but (the instructor) soon gave up on his hapless students. "I just thought they didn't have the aptitude" he says. "They were like Dumb and Dumber".

This is quite astonishing how a "hapless" student can be learning in May to fly a Cessna and in September skilfully manipulate a Boeing 757 into a building. Or, maybe there was help as indicated by Meyssan, that "...New York amateur radio operators, who say they picked up signals of navigational beacons within the towers..."

Finally, I believe that the defense department as well as the air traffic controllers over the DC area are quite experienced. How can a Boeing 757 slip their eagle eyes. This certainly was not the case just recently with another airplane that was in restricted airspace.

I have looked at the images in magazines and there are many questions unanswered. If the Meyssan article had been in relation with any other building I might have dismissed it without a second look and quite disgusted out of respect of those fallen. But there was an explosion in the Pentagon, not an "ordinary building". If an airplane did not impact it, who or what caused the explosion in a building that may have state of the art security measures and the people who work there are.... well you know.

I would like some answers, because the incidents changes our world for good... or might I say for bad.