woody allen

after she'd mailed him a family portrait with a knife skewering it... "farrow and allen continued to see each other."

have no problem believing either that this wasn't edge-case behaviour for Farrow or that Allen would choose not to escalate conflict in response

yes, which is why i refuse to play detective in this matter, like many insufferable ppl who are *certain* of what happened on both sides

hi!

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/woody-allens-secret-teen-lover-manhattan-muse-speaks-1169782?utm_source=twitter&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

Open and thoughtful, Engelhardt unspools a life story that took root in a strict German immigrant household and blossomed into a Zelig-esque series of adventures as she attempted to break into modeling: partying with Iman, jet-setting with Adnan Khashoggi, dining with Stephen King, working as a personal assistant to Jeffrey Epstein, the billionaire financier later convicted for soliciting an underage girl. Following her time with Allen, she went on to become a platonic muse to Federico Fellini during the auteur's late-life journeys in Rome and Tulum, Mexico, then spent years tending to egos as a hostess in the executive dining room at Paramount before landing her current gig, working as an assistant for producer Bob Evans.

All that's missing is an admission of involvement in Iran-Contra and a secret pardon by Poppy.

damn

Despite the initial shock of jealousy, Engelhardt says she grew to like Farrow over the course of the "handful" of three-way sex sessions that followed at Allen's penthouse as they smoked joints and bonded over a shared fondness for animals. ("When Mia was there, we'd talk about astrology, and Woody was forced to listen," she laughs.) Engelhardt writes in her manuscript, "There were times the three of us were together, and it was actually great fun. We enjoyed each other when we were in the moment. She was beautiful and sweet, he was charming and alluring, and I was sexy and becoming more and more sophisticated in this game. It wasn't until after it was done when I really had time to think of how twisted it was when we were together … and how I was little more than a plaything." She continues, "While we were together, the whole thing was a game that was being operated solely by Woody so we never quite knew where we stood."

the heart wants what it wants

(i think that's the organ)

i was gonna make a Zelig joke but the writer beat me to it

no big surprise that a writer-director-producer would have skills at manipulating people to do what he pleased

really reminds me of the Jimmy Page/Lori Maddox situation, just in terms of how Engelhardt looks back on it

no big surprise that a writer-director-producer would have skills at manipulating people to do what he pleased

― A is for (Aimless), 17. december 2018 21:03 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If this is taken for granted, then absolutely nothing involving Allen and Farrow is hard to figure out anymore.

WA sues Amazon for $68 M

https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/woody-allen-amazon-lawsuit-1203131466/

like i'm still reading these articles out of morbid curiosity but when i got to that part i just realized there's no way i'm ever gonna figure these ppl out.

I love how every accuser is always accused in turn for just doing it for the money, meanwhile Woody Allen is just out their claiming that he has 68 million on the line in a case where his camp has had some very nasty counter-accusations.

Nobody on the accusing-Woody side has been counteraccused of doing it for the money.

Allen's ruthless POS behavior toward his accusers just makes me think it's more likely that the accusations are true.

let's say he (or anyone) is innocent. What is the non-POS way to proceed?

(btw, there is one accusation.)

I am going to hang up and listen, bcz i'm not getting drawn into this Celebrity Mentalism shit.

A non-POS way to proceed could for instance be not to sue Mia Farrow for custody immediately after hearing about the accusation. That was a supremely POS thing to do.

was it also a "POS thing to do" when mia farrow abused her kids?

Difference is, my example was something that actually happened.

let's say he (or anyone) is innocent. What is the non-POS way to proceed?

either don't join in with that particular parlour game or just don't post

Is that aimed at JD? Because I don't get what it has to do with what I wrote?

As far as I can tell the most innocent-seeming way of denying an accusation is to make one statement along the lines of “I didn’t do that. I will not be commenting again.” People who did it tend to belabor the details.

Like cf shitbag child rapist ex-mayor of Seattle Ed Murray, who when accused of raping children, instead of just saying “I didn’t rape any children”, got a doctor’s note saying he had no moles on his penis in order to impeach the statement of one of his accusers. Innocent people don’t do that!

Is that aimed at JD? Because I don't get what it has to do with what I wrote?

― Frederik B, Friday, February 8, 2019 1:09 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

think harder

After some hard thinking, I'll conclude you can't read.

There have been abuse allegations against mia farrow for years. Doesn’t mean allen is innocent. It just means, as a separate fact, there are abuse allegations against farrow.

the most innocent-seeming way of denying an accusation is to make one statement along the lines of “I didn’t do that. I will not be commenting again.”

Allen did this in the NY Times several years ago. Such things have eternal life now, however.

I am going to hang up and listen, bcz i'm not getting drawn into this Celebrity Mentalism shit.

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, February 9, 2019 6:35 AM

there really should be an ILX bookmaker function

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, February 9, 2019 8:42 AM

ok, fuxbye

social media makes it really hard to just accept the epistemological uncertainty here and move on.

would be easier if woody just died or stopped making movies. i guess he'll be forced to do the latter now.

Allen is definitely right that Amazon shouldn't be able to break a deal over allegations that were well known at the time, just because people take them more seriously now. That's why you don't hire people like Allen in the first place. One of those dilemmas, if Allen wins 68 millions, it might be tougher for assholes like him to get these types of contracts in the future.

yeah, he's probably done making films. social media outrage did what several decades of his films sucking couldn't

^ just checked and I've only seen three of his last 15 films, but two of them were bad

(Match Point and Vicky Cristina. Midnight In Paris was ok.)

I had to review Café Society and fully expected to slaughter it, but Vittorio Storaro's cinematography was very good. So the only Allen-review I ever got to write was positive...

now officially a European filmmaker

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/02/woody-allen-new-movie-spain

fwiw i believe several of his recent movies have been largely financed by european companies, and certainly several of them have been shot there.

But the flagship of his last film, and TV series, was Amazon.

sure, but, to get exceedingly pedantic, several of his 21st century films prior to his amazon contract were funded by european concerns and shot in europe. so he's "officially" been a european filmmaker for a while.

though it's probably true that if he keeps making movies in the future, european money will be his only recourse, since it's unlikely he'll find support in the states.

and the movies will all star Alec Baldwin, Diane Keaton, and Javier Bardem

oh, i'm sure he'll find some european ingenues to make doe eyes at some thinly-veiled, handsomer, slightly younger iteration of himself.

slightly younger? with Jesse Eisenberg, he's had to go two generations now.

yeah that occurred to me. i guess even liam neeson has got to be 15-20 years younger than woody at this point.

as opposed to earlier, when liam neeson was merely 10 years younger than woody.

if indeed he wasn't always

xp ffs

liam neeson gets younger every year fyi

A Rainy Day In New York coming out everywhere except the USA:

https://thefilmstage.com/trailer/first-trailer-for-woody-allens-a-rainy-day-in-new-york-starring-timothee-chalamet-elle-fanning-selena-gomez/

bcz of our sense of justice

if only it were because distributors realize his scripts are awful