Let's talk about BoJack Horseman, the new Netflix animated series (starring Will Arnett, Alison Brie, Amy Sedaris, Aaron Paul, etc)

ok

first season that isn't better than the one before it; still great

Yes. Parts of it were really great - and once we lift the embargo we can talk about what they were - it never managed to hit the absolute highs of previous seasons and didn't have that real standout moment.

i think it would be ok to observe that the best episodes of this one were towards the middle of the season

I think that's true, but I'm not sure we should be saying so until it's agreed it's ok to.

fair. well, as it is a subjective thing, 'best' and so forth, i don't think i've ruined anything yet. so i'll shut up.

Ep5 was great. Another in the series of Princess Carolyn emotional gut punches.

I was hoping for more Character Actress Margo Martindale.

i mean, the payoff on that one though

i don't think this is a spoiler really but low key my favorite part of this show is girl croosh's send-up of media

also i just discovered Character Actress Margo Martindale is voiced by Character Actress Margo Martindale!

everyone real is played by themselves i think? or close to it

jessica biel really did cook and eat zach braff

Shows too depressing

Don’t need to see this shit like drug
Benders when I’ve lived it and others I know have. Enjoy everyone else

Mr horse is better anyway

Did character actress Margo Martindale voice Princess Caroline’s Mum?

If i watch this will i be emotionally destroyed?

A plea to please hold off on too many big spoilers also, not all of us have the time luxury of bingeing a whole season in one day/week/weekend (fuckin Netflix). I'm only up to ep2 of new season so far!

not really a spoiler - did this season have its customary single use of "fuck"? if so i missed it and will have to rewatch the whole thing to find it haha

cosign, I'm on ep #4 I think

I did not catch the single-use gag!

(that 1st part was xp)

This is what about a single fuck?!

Did character actress Margo Martindale voice Princess Caroline’s Mum?

That was David Sedaris!

not really a spoiler - did this season have its customary single use of "fuck"? if so i missed it and will have to rewatch the whole thing to find it haha

Gina says it in ep 11.

Thermo, it's a thing that the word fuck only ever gets used once a season.

Season 1, Herb in ep 8.
Season 2, Charlotte in ep 11.
Season 3, Todd in ep 10
Season 4, Bojack in ep 4.

ohhhhhhhhh of course. it had to be her, and now i think about it she says it when you'd more or less expect someone to

the word 'cunt' has been used once ever in the show's entire history, albeit in a british accent

That was David Sedaris!

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I am v bad at recognising voices

OK now Ive seen ep 6 and people were not kidding about that being a gutpunch. And the last 10 seconds punchline, omg lol.

To follow that up with Emperor Fingerface and BoBo Zebra etc etc was a complete wtf.

those two and the ensuing mr peanutbutter episode were my favourites of the series tbh

I liked the new season but I'm starting to feel like the writers/producers are expending a little too much energy anticipating/responding to viewer complaints and concerns. Feels like they're trying to cover every possibly problematic base at all times.

maybe, although the todd (a)sex farce stuff was mostly quite funny i thought

That ep I found a bit OTT actually! Though I get a farce was exactly what they were aiming for. I mean they should have just added people yelling OOER MISSUS.

this season spends too much time dealing with old issues e.g. the entire funeral bottle episode. best parts are "philbert" and gina.

I love that Gina is basically Rosa, esp when in the show's cop outfit (I dunno if its intentional though?)

What concerns are they spending time on other than Vietnam?

There was a quote from Bob-Waksberg recently where he was talking about being horrified that Weinstein was a fan of the show, and honestly at least half the season feels like a reaction to that. Part of me wanted to reach out and be like "dude, you make a horse cartoon."

The Hank episode in...S2? was their Weinstein skewer, yeah, and they did harp on already-covered ground here

SPOILERS The climactic plotline (Bojack on drugs! Bojack mistreats a woman!) of this season didn't feel fresh at all

I should stress that it was still funny/enjoyable/watchable but I feel like they should wrap it up soon.

ALSO, the punchline to the otherwise amazing Free Churro episode was too similar in feel to the punchline to the underwater episode. It's like guys you already did that. The episode should have ended straight

I finished the season last night. My impression might be a little tainted by a convo with my son a week ago: "I think with season 4, they started focusing more on the drama and it wasn't as funny. I'm not saying they need to turn it into Family Guy but..."

parts of "Free Churro" were genuinely moving but tbh it was a bit....much overall

I thought S4 basically got the balance right

I just feel that the 'Hollywoo' is a tarpit is so central to what the show is that it makes sense they go back to #MeToo plotlines over and over.

To me it's more getting a bit stale because BoJack is constantly backsliding. Which is plausible, but it got stale on The Sopranos, and on Mad Men, and I'm not sure I can do too many more penultimate episodes where BoJack hits a new low.

This was the first one where it felt like formula. 11th episode of S4 was different and extraordinary

Yeah, exactly. But 1, 2, 3 and 5 are kinda alike...

everyone basically articulating my problems with this season ("oh no bojack did *another* unforgivably horrible thing???") even though it was still great

The 11th episodes of 1,2,3 built to a tragic crescendo tbh, I wouldn't change any of them

The Hank episode in...S2? was their Weinstein skewer, yeah, and they did harp on already-covered ground here

this episode came out in 2015, two years before the Weinstein scandal surfaced. I took it as a Cosby reference at the time (and I think the episode itself mentioned allegations against Letterman)

you think insiders didn't know though

30 Rock etc were making Weinstein jokes for years iirc? I'm sure we've been over this somewhere.

their character of Uncle Hankie was specifically a beloved entertainment figure, which Weinstein never was.