I've been pissed at Harpers since their cartoon graphic cover of the women of the alt-right made them look like angelic greek goddesses.
― Yerac, Friday, 14 September 2018 01:40 (seven years ago)
nyrb has been v. worried about the slandered innocent for years
Probability favors the construction that someone claiming victimization is more likely to be telling truth than lying, but Every three year old has discovered how to lie, so dismissing the possibility of untruth in any aspect of human interaction is not a credible position. Can't we all agree that justice is better than injustice and proceed from there?
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 14 September 2018 02:12 (seven years ago)
i've already let harpers and the economist lapse and now i've sent the nyrb a pissy yet extremely otm letter about this crap
guess i really will be living in an ilx bubble soon. good mourning!
― mookieproof, Friday, 14 September 2018 02:16 (seven years ago)
Hmmm.
"I'm Julie Chen Moonves. Goodnight." #BB20— Andy Dehnart (@realityblurred) September 14, 2018
That's how Julie Chen signed off Big Brother, and it is not how she usually signs off. It was a clear reference to her husband, Les Moonves, being forced to resign early this week in the wake of sexual assault and harassment allegations. #BB20— Andy Dehnart (@realityblurred) September 14, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 September 2018 02:19 (seven years ago)
a reference how? don't think I care what Julie Chen Moonves says or thinks
― Dan S, Friday, 14 September 2018 02:38 (seven years ago)
Worthless.
― I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Friday, 14 September 2018 02:41 (seven years ago)
Harper’s also likes to publish the work of irritatingly dense probably anti-trans “just covering the story” douchebag J3ss3 S1ngal, and they had that blow-up about exposing the Bad Media Men list’s collator. I remember them maybe publishing something sympathetic to the “HIV doesn’t cause AIDS” conspirators long ago. Readings and Harper’s Index and Findings are all classic but the actual features seem like the editors are being undergraduate-level contrarians a bit too often. xps to something or someone
― faculty w1fe (silby), Friday, 14 September 2018 02:42 (seven years ago)
I am the person here honestly saying "big brother is still! on!?"
― Yerac, Friday, 14 September 2018 03:00 (seven years ago)
dont remember: you arent watching big brother
― NAGL usa (darraghmac), Friday, 14 September 2018 04:04 (seven years ago)
yeah silby that was why i was expressing disgust. the shitty media men piece was by katie roiphe ffs! and it was awful because i guess contrarianism doesn’t need editing.
― maura, Friday, 14 September 2018 10:09 (seven years ago)
VG otm on Macdonald and his Fall of the Comedy Giants bullshit
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 September 2018 11:23 (seven years ago)
https://local.theonion.com/high-school-drama-teacher-already-has-pretty-good-idea-1829058955
― nickn, Friday, 14 September 2018 20:41 (seven years ago)
Buruma: unbelievable asshole
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/jian-ghomeshi-new-york-review-of-books-essay.html
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 14 September 2018 23:25 (seven years ago)
jesus fucking christ burn it all down
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 14 September 2018 23:38 (seven years ago)
yeah he certainly picked one of the worst possible writers to make an already quite murky point there.
― Ludo, Saturday, 15 September 2018 06:48 (seven years ago)
I know everyone just wants to get this one behind you, but I'm writing something on Hockenberry and Ghomeshi which means I have to read them and gaaaaaaaaahhhh. Even discounting for how wrong it is, it's just fucking boring and pointless. Hockenberry at one point just begins to list books he read in the sixties and then says that he likes Andrea Dworkin. 'More about this later'. It sounded like a fucking threat. Why on earth do we need these people in our culture?
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 19:39 (seven years ago)
I embraced the freethinking spirit of Zorba the Greek when I played him onstage in high school. Was this wise?
Who the fuck cares?
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 19:41 (seven years ago)
Why on earth do we need these people in our culture?
They were media personalities. They are our culture.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 18 September 2018 19:42 (seven years ago)
max hedrom would not stand for it
― | (Latham Green), Tuesday, 18 September 2018 19:56 (seven years ago)
Unbelievably he returns to the Zorba the Greek story for three paragraphs later on. It does not get more interesting.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 19:58 (seven years ago)
― maura, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 22:25 (seven years ago)
i realize that does not exactly fit your (or my) definition of “need” but it’s the top explanation for why all these shitheads who are really mediocre anyway keep getting chances. same with the moonves board meetings. same with the defenses of shithead brett kavanagh. until masculinity gets fixed this is going to keep happening.
― maura, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 22:26 (seven years ago)
I am SO GLAD that there is now a term for this. Because seriously... this shit drives me crazy.
“The Straw Girl” a technique that “posits the existence of a hypothetical observer who is conflating things that should not be conflated. It discredits the testimony of real women by implying that other, imaginary, women are too stupid to know the difference between getting raped and having a guy be ‘creepy in the DMs.’”
― Yerac, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 01:12 (seven years ago)
ian buruma is no longer the editor of the new york review of books
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 17:44 (seven years ago)
can’t wait for his 10,000 word thinkpiece
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 17:46 (seven years ago)
Truly a delight to see that happen. And to know Ghomeshi won't be getting any more traction.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 18:24 (seven years ago)
I wonder if it was equal parts publishing the piece/clearly being clueless in the followup interview.
― omar little, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 18:27 (seven years ago)
maybe they just want to replace him with a cheaper 25-year-old dude
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 18:47 (seven years ago)
Wow wasn’t expecting ian burma to be fired. Good, i guess-/that article showed bad judgment
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 18:50 (seven years ago)
meanwhile, there's this, which is horrifying: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/opinions/arlington-texas/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a0513c899c30
(the "faith" part is the most horrifying because it is pretty emblematic of the lengths people go to make bullying/harassment seem not just plausibly deniable, but plausibly deniable to the point that if you indicate what it is actually happening, you look ridiculous.)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 18:56 (seven years ago)
that was a good article
― Dan S, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:01 (seven years ago)
know what else shows bad judgment?!?!?!!??!?!?!?raping someone in high school
sorry i keep getting these inappropriate outbursts that are becoming more difficult to control the more people try to defend him
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:15 (seven years ago)
I definitely never defended kavanaugh (not that you implied i did—just for the historical record)
― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:17 (seven years ago)
omg no i know, don't worrylike i said i am outbursting and my usual composure is compromised
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:22 (seven years ago)
xxp re: the Amber Wyatt piece, agree, the description of how cruel everyone else in the school and in the community was to her afterwards was sickening to read
― Dan S, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:23 (seven years ago)
i may never understand this whole small town football insanity
― Nhex, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:23 (seven years ago)
also WTF at this unrelated tidbit:
“We had cases where there were photographs and confessions from the suspects that were no-billed,” Johnson told me in 2015 in the tidy living room of her Fort Worth home. One case in particular stuck with her: A man admitted to giving a woman drugs that would render her unconscious — and then raping her after she had passed out and photographing the act. The victim was sent the photographs of her own rape, which she turned over to police. Still, the grand jury decided not to indict.
― Nhex, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:27 (seven years ago)
it's not just small town football insanitythis is why you/we don't know about all the sexual assault that happensif there were a metal detector that would beep when it detects someone has experienced sexual assault, the noise would be deafening
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:27 (seven years ago)
it's not just small town football stuff, but there is frequently a popularity component. this is how it worked in steubenville (where the victim was accused of trying to "social climb"), it's how it worked in glen ridge (where the victim was disabled)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:40 (seven years ago)
i can't even begin to start reading about this case -- it will send me into a tailspinthe way people will twist themselves into 150,000 tons of rold gold pretzels to blame victims is beyond what i can tolerate
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:42 (seven years ago)
yeah if you are not in a great place I would recommend holding off on reading about either of those
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:45 (seven years ago)
Le Lechera otm
― Ross, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 19:47 (seven years ago)
But of course
Ex-NY Review of Books editor: "I have now myself been convicted on Twitter" https://t.co/LaYiIJPgxT pic.twitter.com/C16wmc2NBg— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) September 20, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 September 2018 20:57 (seven years ago)
Buruma reportedly maintains that he was not fired, but that threatened boycotts made it impossible for him to remain in his role....“I still stand behind my decision to publish,” Buruma said. “I expected that there would intense reactions, but I hoped that it would open a discussion about what to do with people who behaved badly, but who were acquitted in a court of law.”“You could be right that it gave him too much room to tell his side of the story, without a response and without critical questions,” he continued.
...
“I still stand behind my decision to publish,” Buruma said. “I expected that there would intense reactions, but I hoped that it would open a discussion about what to do with people who behaved badly, but who were acquitted in a court of law.”
“You could be right that it gave him too much room to tell his side of the story, without a response and without critical questions,” he continued.
Yes, possibly right there.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 September 2018 20:58 (seven years ago)
threatened boycotts made it impossible for him to remain in his role.
in what way is this even remotely true
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 20 September 2018 21:10 (seven years ago)
They’ve been taking some epic shots on Buruma and Hockenberry over at LGM http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/09/fired-youre-bad-job-not-violation-due-processhttp://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/09/book-entitled-lolita
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 20 September 2018 21:15 (seven years ago)
If all the women that were threatened on twitter could no longer work...
― Yerac, Thursday, 20 September 2018 23:51 (seven years ago)
Is it wrong that I could watch them and the journalists they make a point of quoting dunk on these clowns for a year and not get tired of it?
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 21 September 2018 00:09 (seven years ago)
After Amber Wyatt's story was published some students came forward to apologize to her for how they had treated her. And some came forward to say they had experienced the very same thing. An epilogue: https://t.co/q1NK4jgZ8k— Elizabeth Bruenig (@ebruenig) September 21, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 September 2018 22:27 (seven years ago)
NYRB website has a (still too generous) disclaimer now:
https://i.imgur.com/qxMAHFn.png
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:00 (seven years ago)