It is not at all the same for musicians, but: any "comedian" who doesn't address Trump/distances himself from the most moronic US prez ever, is a shit comedian. #controp
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, September 11, 2018 6:25 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you must be really funny
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 23:28 (six years ago) link
wait so yr friends are yr enemies I'm confused
xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 23:29 (six years ago) link
Not really. All (comedy) is politics anyway. Comedians aren't the enemy, they're faux friends most of the time.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 23:29 (six years ago) link
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, September 12, 2018 1:28 AM (twenty-six seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
..
norm should read the hilarious ILX politics threads on his show
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 23:30 (six years ago) link
He should stop making rape jokes first and foremost. After that we can invite him to ilx.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 23:31 (six years ago) link
Everything is political!
― faculty w1fe (silby), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 23:32 (six years ago) link
Being apolitical is political
and acceptable!
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 23:33 (six years ago) link
and in some cases preferred, even
but the case is very specific. politics in comedy can be good. norm explicitly putting politics into his comedy would be awful. clearly the person complaining that colin kaepernick brought politics into his football is terrible. but the person complaining that norm macdonald is not explicitly putting politics into his comedy show is also (much less) terrible.
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 23:37 (six years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 23:29 (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
nahits that ppl with whom i disagree with politically are certainly not automatically 'enemies'
― NAGL usa (darraghmac), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 23:43 (six years ago) link
I think the impression he gives that he’s not doing a craft is fact the craft
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 31 August 2018 23:05 (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes btw....tho he does imo do it with a sideways look, its not completely deadpan
stewart lee draws attn to the same thing which is different again, performing v deliberately that he is not performing, called back enough routine after routine that its a loop at this stage
― NAGL usa (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 September 2018 00:03 (six years ago) link
A) Norm tells funny stories sometimes.
B) Norm is exactly the kind of uninformed moron who would support Trump. But because *we* like him, that's ok.
C) Fuck Norm.
― Andrew "Hit Dice" Clay (PBKR), Wednesday, 12 September 2018 00:27 (six years ago) link
does he support trump
― NAGL usa (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 September 2018 00:30 (six years ago) link
There's a bootleg of one of his standups where the audience asks if he voted, and he says, nah, besides, he's Canadian. To which he adds, "Yeah, if you thought your vote was pointless..."
― pplains, Wednesday, 12 September 2018 00:55 (six years ago) link
I don't know why Trump won. One reason was KellyAnne Conway, who is one of the most charming and lovable people I've ever seen.— Norm Macdonald (@normmacdonald) December 29, 2016
― frogbs, Wednesday, 12 September 2018 00:58 (six years ago) link
I have heard him talk about trump and i do not get the impression he’s a big trump supporter.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 12 September 2018 01:05 (six years ago) link
Yeah I don’t think he is either but he’s notoriously tone deaf when it comes to certain political and social issues. Though in his defense he’s pretty vocal about not wanting to talk about them
― frogbs, Wednesday, 12 September 2018 01:08 (six years ago) link
tone deaf is, like so much else, just a substitute for "doesnt say what id like", right?
― NAGL usa (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 September 2018 01:10 (six years ago) link
KellyAnne Conway, who is one of the most charming and lovable people I've ever seen.
As humor, this is jejune and moronic. If it is in any way representative of his work, it is fair to call it tone deaf, but more accurate to call it dumb and unfunny.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 September 2018 03:37 (six years ago) link
xp more in the sense that he can't really see anything outside of his white guy comedian bubble and often doesn't consider some really basic things
― frogbs, Wednesday, 12 September 2018 03:41 (six years ago) link
"It’s always bad when you have to apologize for the apology," said the old white man who turned out to not be a friend of the liberals after all
― del griffith, Friday, 14 September 2018 01:54 (six years ago) link
"The remark I made about people with Down syndrome is terrible," the old white man continued. "I mean, you'd have to have Down syndrome to think it wasn't," he continued.
― del griffith, Friday, 14 September 2018 01:55 (six years ago) link
"I really Jewed that one up"
― frogbs, Friday, 14 September 2018 02:49 (six years ago) link
Norm on Tom green was classic af
― Ross, Friday, 14 September 2018 03:32 (six years ago) link
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmV2t2SqHz8
When he shuts down the kids guitar dreams it’s mint
― Ross, Friday, 14 September 2018 03:33 (six years ago) link
Sorry this is the link
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OeefXf08dsU&t=65s
― Ross, Friday, 14 September 2018 03:34 (six years ago) link
Total trolling on the view tho
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Il1rCHgsmDo
Dunno Norms the best imo
― Ross, Friday, 14 September 2018 06:39 (six years ago) link
New show is good so far. Essentially the same as the YouTube one
― Ross, Friday, 14 September 2018 12:46 (six years ago) link
There’s a great interview on New York mag’s site. David Marchese might be the best interviewer in America right now.
http://www.vulture.com/2018/09/norm-macdonald-in-conversation.html
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 14 September 2018 13:50 (six years ago) link
Awesome, thanks for that unperson
Chainsaw ref is to Eric Andre right?
― Ross, Friday, 14 September 2018 14:08 (six years ago) link
that is a good interview! nice to see the interviewer push back on norm's boneheaded views, though overall it's fair to him
― Nhex, Friday, 14 September 2018 18:04 (six years ago) link
I guess there came a time, and I missed it, when revealing everything started to be considered art ... But I can look at other art forms and see how postmodernism has destroyed them, and now threatens to destroy stand-up.
Fuckin postmodernism strikes again, what won't that shit ruin
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 14 September 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link
What are you trying to subvert anyway? Entertaining people?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 September 2018 19:03 (six years ago) link
norm is such a meta comedian and he doesn't even know that he's involved in the postmodern
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 14 September 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
You know, I think about my deathbed a lot.Q:What do you think about it?I think I should never have purchased a deathbed in the first place.
Q:What do you think about it?
I think I should never have purchased a deathbed in the first place.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 September 2018 19:10 (six years ago) link
xp Yeah, a little rich to complain about postermodernism or meta-comedy given his "autobiography." (Which was hilarious.)
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Friday, 14 September 2018 19:12 (six years ago) link
Do you really think sex is a shameful thing?Yeah, I do.
what a weirdo
― Οὖτις, Friday, 14 September 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
Just a Christian
― faculty w1fe (silby), Friday, 14 September 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
Why not?Because stand-up is a form and to subvert something, you have to do it perfectly first. I remember somebody showed me a talk show with “subversion” in it — the guy chainsawed his desk. It was so stupid. Why did you build a desk in the first place if you were only going to chainsaw it?
is he talking about Eric Andre here ?
― frogbs, Friday, 14 September 2018 19:43 (six years ago) link
i mean, yes
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 14 September 2018 20:18 (six years ago) link
if "subversion" is comedy poison then what do you call appearing on a roast and doing an entire set of clean grandpa jokes from the 1920's?
― frogbs, Friday, 14 September 2018 20:22 (six years ago) link
This is why you don’t ask artists to talk about their own work! They do not discuss it very intelligently.
― faculty w1fe (silby), Friday, 14 September 2018 20:24 (six years ago) link
Norm like to play with audience expectations of joke structure, but they're still traditional jokes - the moth routine, for example. I'm not sure that's "meta". I think he's right to mark a difference between himself and, say, Adult Swim style creepy non-sequitur humour.
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 14 September 2018 22:16 (six years ago) link
the frogbs example i think is quite germane
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 14 September 2018 22:21 (six years ago) link
the humour in that bit is not the jokes themselves which are bad and hackneyed, it's doing those jokes in that context. it's meta
I dunno, I find it fairly straightforwardly funny - I'd call it "conceptual" rather than meta.
My favourite bits in that routine are the (apparent) ad-libs: "Seems harsh, by they want to MURDER YOU IN A WELL."
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 14 September 2018 23:07 (six years ago) link
His roast was brilliant, basically what renewed my interest in Norm as an adult. Always liked him growing up but obv was more interested in the flashier comedy ppl at the time.His old man conservatism is disappointing but it’s always been apparent. The “I don’t care or know anything about politics” line was never totally convincing.Can’t justify his shitty takes or why he’s one that I find myself giving more of a pass to than others. Guess because he feels like his own unique thing operating in his own mental sphere. For me feels related to David Lynch’s recent, walked-back Trump comments.I really liked the two episodes I saw of his new Netflix show.
― circa1916, Saturday, 15 September 2018 03:12 (six years ago) link
this sort of meta is also bad and hackneyed. "Don't get it, man? It's funny because it's NOT funny!"
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 15 September 2018 03:36 (six years ago) link