Baby Boomers vs. Generation X vs. Millennials

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BPA and phthalates in plastics, according to the article

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 12:56 (five years ago) link


there's also the flipside of that which is that so many of the touchstones of the boomer generation never went away - you can still go and see the rolling stones in concert, paul mccartney's still pumping out albums, music and film from the late sixties and early seventies are still forever being referenced in new art etc


boomers were the first generation that could use magnetic tape to relentlessly expose their kids to their favorite stuff

Paleo Weltschmerz (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 13:03 (five years ago) link

and boy did they

my dream is to never be a champion (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 13:04 (five years ago) link

i feel the boomers should be split into two generations. my parents were born in the early sixties and i don't associate them with any of that stuff.

🦅 (Trϵϵship), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 13:20 (five years ago) link

they're not big pop culture people in any case, but if anything the 80s and 90s were their era. when they were my age, it was already the early 90s.

🦅 (Trϵϵship), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 13:21 (five years ago) link

your parents are generation x

got the scuba tube blowin' like a snork (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 13:38 (five years ago) link

or possibly "generation jones"

got the scuba tube blowin' like a snork (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 13:38 (five years ago) link

Technically they are boomers, as the cut off is 64. Mt mom was the youngest of seven so she does seem knowledgeable about the whole “boomer experience,” although she somewhat despises that era (vietnam/counterculture) which she says “destroyed her family.”

🦅 (Trϵϵship), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 13:43 (five years ago) link

yeah boomers need a subgeneration because it's demographically viable to say there was this continuous baby boom through the mid 60s but you end up with a twenty-year span for the "generation," such that first-round boomers could have kids that would also qualify as baby boomers. and then culturally, yeah, there's very little affinity between ppl who graduated high school in 1967 and in 1985 or what have you.

got the scuba tube blowin' like a snork (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 14:39 (five years ago) link

hence the "generation jones" concept

got the scuba tube blowin' like a snork (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 14:40 (five years ago) link

yeah boomers need a subgeneration because it's demographically viable to say there was this continuous baby boom through the mid 60s but you end up with a twenty-year span for the "generation,"

I feel like the fact that people feel the need to subdivide these 'generations' to spans far shorter than actual human generations points to a flaw in the original theory.

The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 15:02 (five years ago) link

otm. so so tired of people talking about generation whatever.

macropuente (map), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 15:09 (five years ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/05/sally-rooney-millennials-normal-people

I feel this could have been written about so many books of the last 40 years. "[...] her characters use irony to dilute their existential anxiety about being over-educated and aimless in a time when the very world order seems up in the air."

fetter, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 15:16 (five years ago) link

Sund4r, my point is just that if a parent and child can belong to the same "generation" then either that generation has been too widely drawn or we should stop talking about "generations." i agree with the latter in principle but it can be a nice pointless diversion and if one doesn't want to engage in it one can just avoid this thread, idk.

got the scuba tube blowin' like a snork (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 15:21 (five years ago) link

I do want to engage in it!: I'm pointing out that I think the theory is deeply flawed.

The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 15:30 (five years ago) link

The thread started out mocking generational theory don’f forget 🌈⭐️

🦅 (Trϵϵship), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 15:32 (five years ago) link

Either you have to draw the generations widely enough that a parent and child can be part of the same generation or you have to draw them so narrowly that their spans have nothing to do with generations in the biological sense.

The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 15:52 (five years ago) link

(That's not the only flaw, though.)

The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 15:55 (five years ago) link

But the theory has nothing to do with biology and everything to do with culture, I assume

Josefa, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 16:05 (five years ago) link

the gilmore girls seem like the same generation

🦅 (Trϵϵship), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link

X'ers. rory is technically a millennial though, i believe.

🦅 (Trϵϵship), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link

“It’s stupid to measure position by a bunch of lines that all intersect at the top and bottom! If they all intersect, it’s meaningless!”

“Measuring position by continuous lines that just go around in circles doesn’t tell you anything!”

Paleo Weltschmerz (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 16:11 (five years ago) link

This isn’t a nerd forum please use a different analogy using cultural touchstones that millennials can relate to

🦅 (Trϵϵship), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 16:14 (five years ago) link

back in the 90s, when generational theory was also popular, people born in the early 60s were considered Gen-X!!

Kinda feel like people who weren't born/were too young to remember Cuban Missile Crisis/Kennedy Assassination aren't boomers.

sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 17:05 (five years ago) link

similarly, people who weren't born/were too young to remember Reagan's presidency aren't really Gen-X

sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 17:07 (five years ago) link

born too early to explore the universe, born too late to boom a baby

ciderpress, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 17:09 (five years ago) link

that sounds right. i think my parents are more like Gen X. they seem like they were too old to like MTV, nirvana, etc. but really they were just too lame

🦅 (Trϵϵship), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 17:10 (five years ago) link

Here's my rubric and the only one I'll accept

If you were around for the 60s but not world war 2 you're a baby boomer

Gen Xers think Ghostbusters and Back to the Future are really good and important movies

Millennials were in school on 9/11 and remember it

Gen Zers have no memory of 9/11

If you were in school on 9/11 and also care about Ghostbusters and Back to the Future, you're a cusp millennial, probably you were born in exactly 1981.

faculty w1fe (silby), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 17:12 (five years ago) link

37 year olds are millennials. they are all over tinder and they have stupid media and tech start up jobs.

🦅 (Trϵϵship), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 17:16 (five years ago) link

"stupid" is disparaging. they have the new york kind of jobs that everyone in my milieu seems to have.

🦅 (Trϵϵship), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 17:17 (five years ago) link

more like peedia and tech fart up jobs

macropuente (map), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 17:20 (five years ago) link

Gen Xers think Ghostbusters and Back to the Future are really good and important movies

yr obviously a millennial. i saw those movies in the theater. they were fun, but not really "good" or "important" -- kinda like the cherry coke of movies, and I do like Cherry Coke, but if I were to make a list of "good and important" things, cherry coke would not be on it.

It's more like, Gen Xers grew up with the shitty, corrupt leadership of Nixon (early X) and Reagan (later X) -- the "just say no to drugs" era

sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 17:24 (five years ago) link

Anyone can be a millennial if they want to be.

🦅 (Trϵϵship), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 17:36 (five years ago) link

is that why so many dudes in their 40s are dating/trying to date ppl in their 20s?

sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 17:40 (five years ago) link

I feel like over my life I've continually dropped into and out of Gen X. For a while I'm pretty sure I was in Gen Y, which no longer exists.

silverfish, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 17:58 (five years ago) link

That’s right sarahell—Idealism

🦅 (Trϵϵship), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:00 (five years ago) link

back in the 90s, when generational theory was also popular, people born in the early 60s were considered Gen-X!!

I remember this. In fact that was how Douglas Coupland defined the term in his book Generation X which is where all this started. Somehow Gen X leaped forward five years at some point in the '90s.

Josefa, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:01 (five years ago) link

I’m not sure if I’d choose to be a millennial if I was allowed to pick tbh

🦅 (Trϵϵship), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:02 (five years ago) link

I’m not sure if I’d choose to be a millennial if I was allowed to pick tbh

ancient millennial proverb

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:03 (five years ago) link

Somehow Gen X leaped forward five years at some point in the '90s.

Yes!! I remember it used to end in 1975 or 1976.

sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:04 (five years ago) link

(but this is what I was getting at, at least in my cohort there seems to be this near-universal feeling that millennials are in fact a doomed generation and the generation after them is like them but better in every single way)

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:04 (five years ago) link

They cant be better off though as they’ll live through more decades of climate change

🦅 (Trϵϵship), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:05 (five years ago) link

yeah, I was born in 77 and definitely remember not being in Gen X as a teenager. I got recruited later on.

xpost

silverfish, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:07 (five years ago) link

To me the 1959-1964 babies have always seemed like an in-between generation, just as the babies of the late '70s seem neither Gen-X nor Millennial.

And I'm another Gen-Xer who thought Ghostbusters and Back to the Future were fine but nothing super special and am very surprised people still talk about them.

Josefa, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:07 (five years ago) link

millennials are in fact a doomed generation and the generation after them is like them but better in every single way

this was the Gen-X zeitgeist in the 90s iirc: we were born and raised during a time of decay, but things started getting better after we were already doomed, like public education funding started increasing when millennials started going to school.

sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:08 (five years ago) link

otoh, it was easier to get into good colleges because there weren't as many of us.

sarahell, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:09 (five years ago) link

we were born and raised during a time of decay

Think about it: Steve Winwood albums!

The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:09 (five years ago) link

I feel like the prognostic for millenials used to be much better than it is currently. We'll see in a couple of years how it goes for the post-millenials, I'm pretty sure society as a whole will continue fucking up.

silverfish, Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:11 (five years ago) link

this was the Gen-X zeitgeist in the 90s iirc: we were born and raised during a time of decay, but things started getting better after we were already doomed, like public education funding started increasing when millennials started going to school.

how quickly that sentiment faded on their part

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:12 (five years ago) link

(from what I can tell the people who hate millennials most aren't boomers at all but gen x)

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 5 September 2018 18:12 (five years ago) link


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