I forget if others have already suggested Capitalism in the Web of Life itt but it's cleared much of the fog I've had around the post-feudal/pre-industrial centuries and contextualized them for me in the narrative of land use and resource capture that Sanpaku's talking about. Recommended.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 30 August 2018 22:15 (seven years ago)
I stopped reading Anthropocene or Capitalocene. :(
― Aye Begorrah, reader, I married him. -Jane Eire (Leee), Thursday, 30 August 2018 22:24 (seven years ago)
The ponderous Haraway essay really slowed me down but I devoured the Moore essay which sent me straight to his book for more
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 30 August 2018 23:14 (seven years ago)
so what did moore have to say?
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 30 August 2018 23:22 (seven years ago)
in his essay in capitalism in the web of life, i mean. was it made up of the same arguments as anthropocene or capitalocene, or was it something different?
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 30 August 2018 23:23 (seven years ago)
Realizing this gives our generation a rather critical responsiblity for erecting firmer foundations for inclusion and tolerance, during this interval while they're self-evidently obvious, rather than self-evidently absurd.
― nonderepressible (Sanpaku)
there are a lot of people to whom inclusion and tolerance _aren't_ self-evidently obvious, even in this interval. i'd settle for the absence of global thermonuclear war during the collapse, and frankly even that one's a stretch.
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Thursday, 30 August 2018 23:53 (seven years ago)
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so just to clarify, Anthropocene or Capitalocene is the anthology Moore edited with an essay of his in it, Capitalism in the Web of Life is Moore's book-length exposition of the same argument he makes in his essay in the anthology. here is pretty good hour-lecture of his on the book!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E92w0WczYUw
here's a quote from the intro to the book:
Like many readers, I suspect, I have little patience with grand theory. No one theory can answer the questions I pose in this book. Only a relational method and made of theorizing will suffice. My intention is to elaborate a method that carries the core insights of Marxism and environmental historiography into a new synthesis. This synthesis says that environment-making is much more than a story of environmental consequences. It is a story of how power and re/production in its quotidian, civilizational, and commercial forms are, already, environmental history. Power and production-and so much more-are "environmental.' This allows us to move from environmental histories of modernity to modernity's projects and processes as environmental history-as environment-making processes. My point of departure therefore privileges the patterned and the specific. Specificities emerge within world-historical patterns, what I call historical natures'3-even and especially when the topic seems removed from these concerns (e.g. labor, financialization). We can begin to reconstruct narratives of two simultaneous movements. The first is capitalism's internalization of planetary life and processes, through which new life activity is continually brought into the orbit of capital and capitalist power. The second is the biosphere's internalization of capitalism, through which human-initiated projects and processes influence and shape the web of life. This guiding thread-framed as a double internality-allows us to move beyond a kind of "soft" dualism that re-presents the dialectic of human and extra-human natures as an alternative to Nature/Society.My focus in this book is capitalism as project and process: the logic of capital and the history of capitalism. This capitalism is not, as we have seen, a narrow set of economic or social relations, since these categories are part of the problem. Capitalism is, rather, best understood as a world-ecology of capital, power, and re/production in the web oflife. The point of view of capitalism as a whole-and the decisive conditions and contradictions of the accumulation process-is but one possible vantage point. Without a world-historical reconstruction, however, the critique of Nature/Society dualism will remain theoretical when it needs to be methodological and historical. My central thesis is that capitalism is historically coherent-if "vast but weak"-from the long sixteenth century; co-produced by human and extra-human natures in the web of life; and cohered by a "law of value" that is a "law" of Cheap Nature. At the core of this law is the ongoing, radically expansive, and relentlessly innovative quest to turn the work/energy of the biosphere into capital(value-in-motion).
We can begin to reconstruct narratives of two simultaneous movements. The first is capitalism's internalization of planetary life and processes, through which new life activity is continually brought into the orbit of capital and capitalist power. The second is the biosphere's internalization of capitalism, through which human-initiated projects and processes influence and shape the web of life. This guiding thread-framed as a double internality-allows us to move beyond a kind of "soft" dualism that re-presents the dialectic of human and extra-human natures as an alternative to Nature/Society.
My focus in this book is capitalism as project and process: the logic of capital and the history of capitalism. This capitalism is not, as we have seen, a narrow set of economic or social relations, since these categories are part of the problem. Capitalism is, rather, best understood as a world-ecology of capital, power, and re/production in the web oflife. The point of view of capitalism as a whole-and the decisive conditions and contradictions of the accumulation process-is but one possible vantage point. Without a world-historical reconstruction, however, the critique of Nature/Society dualism will remain theoretical when it needs to be methodological and historical. My central thesis is that capitalism is historically coherent-if "vast but weak"-from the long sixteenth century; co-produced by human and extra-human natures in the web of life; and cohered by a "law of value" that is a "law" of Cheap Nature. At the core of this law is the ongoing, radically expansive, and relentlessly innovative quest to turn the work/energy of the biosphere into capital(value-in-motion).
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 31 August 2018 14:34 (seven years ago)
so just to clarify, Anthropocene or Capitalocene is the anthology Moore edited with an essay of his in it, Capitalism in the Web of Life is Moore's book-length exposition of the same argument he makes in his essay in the anthology.
welp, i think i had that exactly backwards, thanks!
thanks for typing that out as, well. i'm definitely unfamiliar with some of the terms (curious about the laws of Cheap Nature) ,but it's interesting to to focus on internalizations since so much of environmental literature is focused on externalities.
― Karl Malone, Friday, 31 August 2018 16:02 (seven years ago)
I've skipped Haraway (40 pages of wordplay, ok) and am resuming Anthropocene or Capitalocene with Moore's essay. (I didn't like the Crist essay, if anyone was keeping score.)
― Aye Begorrah, reader, I married him. -Jane Eire (Leee), Friday, 31 August 2018 17:18 (seven years ago)
@thenation and I are proud of this joint investigation of a grave but little recognized climate science findings: tropical forests are flipping to release rather than store carbon. That must be reversed, soon. Here's our version of @eatonsam's report: https://t.co/AmauUQvVa5 https://t.co/7dacCgUU2y— Mark Hertsgaard (@markhertsgaard) September 14, 2018
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 September 2018 19:34 (seven years ago)
Countdown to fuckwits levelling all remaining rainforests...
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Saturday, 15 September 2018 00:40 (seven years ago)
find Kevin Anderson's take on flying inspirationalhttps://youtu.be/wcobuqiSo8I
― niels, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 12:15 (seven years ago)
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2014/10/plane_carbon_footprint_i_went_a_year_without_flying_to_fight_climate_change.htmlthis article is nice, too
― niels, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 12:23 (seven years ago)
i luv eric holthaus
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 15:12 (seven years ago)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/trump-administration-sees-a-7-degree-rise-in-global-temperatures-by-2100/2018/09/27/b9c6fada-bb45-11e8-bdc0-90f81cc58c5d_story.html?utm_term=.60492852926e
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 28 September 2018 15:56 (seven years ago)
WOW. hope no one minds if i excerpt (i tend to think most people don't click links, even on ILX)
Last month, deep in a 500-page environmental impact statement, the Trump administration made a startling assumption: On its current course, the planet will warm a disastrous seven degrees by the end of this century.A rise of seven degrees Fahrenheit, or about four degrees Celsius, compared with preindustrial levels would be catastrophic, according to scientists. Many coral reefs would dissolve in increasingly acidic oceans. Parts of Manhattan and Miami would be underwater without costly coastal defenses. Extreme heat waves would routinely smother large parts of the globe.But the administration did not offer this dire forecast, premised on the idea that the world will fail to cut its greenhouse gas emissions, as part of an argument to combat climate change. Just the opposite: The analysis assumes the planet’s fate is already sealed.The draft statement, issued by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), was written to justify President Trump’s decision to freeze federal fuel-efficiency standards for cars and light trucks built after 2020. While the proposal would increase greenhouse gas emissions, the impact statement says, that policy would add just a very small drop to a very big, hot bucket.“The amazing thing they’re saying is human activities are going to lead to this rise of carbon dioxide that is disastrous for the environment and society. And then they’re saying they’re not going to do anything about it,” said Michael MacCracken, who served as a senior scientist at the U.S. Global Change Research Program from 1993 to 2002.
A rise of seven degrees Fahrenheit, or about four degrees Celsius, compared with preindustrial levels would be catastrophic, according to scientists. Many coral reefs would dissolve in increasingly acidic oceans. Parts of Manhattan and Miami would be underwater without costly coastal defenses. Extreme heat waves would routinely smother large parts of the globe.
But the administration did not offer this dire forecast, premised on the idea that the world will fail to cut its greenhouse gas emissions, as part of an argument to combat climate change. Just the opposite: The analysis assumes the planet’s fate is already sealed.
The draft statement, issued by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), was written to justify President Trump’s decision to freeze federal fuel-efficiency standards for cars and light trucks built after 2020. While the proposal would increase greenhouse gas emissions, the impact statement says, that policy would add just a very small drop to a very big, hot bucket.
“The amazing thing they’re saying is human activities are going to lead to this rise of carbon dioxide that is disastrous for the environment and society. And then they’re saying they’re not going to do anything about it,” said Michael MacCracken, who served as a senior scientist at the U.S. Global Change Research Program from 1993 to 2002.
i don't know how that one slipped through the cracks at the white house, other than the ongoing chaos and general incompetence.
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 29 September 2018 06:46 (seven years ago)
it seems like they've skipped to the final stage of climate denial
1) climate change is a hoax2) some warming may exist, but humans have nothing to do with it3) humans have something to do with it, but climate change is not a problem, and in fact it might be a good thing4) we can't solve climate change. are we really so vain to think that we can affect an entire earth's climate? 5) it's too late to do anything about it
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 29 September 2018 06:51 (seven years ago)
lol nothing matters as policy
― maura, Saturday, 29 September 2018 14:40 (seven years ago)
we're already up 1°F on the 1986-2005 average. 7° is unfathomable
― mookieproof, Saturday, 29 September 2018 18:22 (seven years ago)
This is a bad headline. They mean a 4 degree rise. (Which could still spell the end of civilization.) https://t.co/SwCY0csCZl— Jonathan M. Katz✍🏻 (@KatzOnEarth) September 28, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Saturday, 29 September 2018 20:22 (seven years ago)
Jonathan M. Katz, Defender of Celsius
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 29 September 2018 20:49 (seven years ago)
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/01/cities-sink-sea-first-earth-submerge-coastline
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 1 October 2018 10:02 (seven years ago)
All futures are fathomable. +7° F (3.89° C) is a world that's been seen and surpassed before in the geological record. I think in our future context, its one where current breadbaskets are scrubland, carrying capacity is reduced by perhaps 4 billion, majorities support killing migrants at the border, and coastal cities are replaced by aggregations of houseboats.
But that's not the future I'm scared about. 2.9-3.5° C is the current Paris Accords commitments future, 3.9° C is a Black Death scale calamity, but the business as usual future is 5-6° C by 2100, maybe pushing 8° C after ocean equilibration and carbon feedbacks, assuming most of humanity starves and can't burn the deep coal. A world that supports a few hundred million in current Arctic/Antarctic basins.
It's decades too late in any plausible politics to avoid catastrophe, but there remains a chance to prevent the human carrying capacity from plummeting from a future 4-5 billion on more prudent paths to < 500 million. That 3-5° C margin between Paris Accords and business as usual runaway is the margin between *Homo sapiens* and Earth being a failed project, never again advancing beyond Renaissance technology (fossil fuels are a single-chance bootstrap), and our descendants becoming our universe's self-awareness and cosmologically significant.
― godless hippie skank (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 3 October 2018 19:44 (seven years ago)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_speech
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 19:50 (seven years ago)
Well that explains a lot about you xp
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 3 October 2018 19:50 (seven years ago)
― godless hippie skank (Sanpaku)
oh, you're talking about hope, aren't you? i remember that stuff. didn't we use up the last of it in 2008, though? maybe there's an additional source of it under the arctic ice.
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Wednesday, 3 October 2018 23:26 (seven years ago)
That hope was converted to methane a long time ago
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 3 October 2018 23:31 (seven years ago)
twbb_drainage.gif
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 4 October 2018 00:18 (seven years ago)
our descendants becoming our universe's self-awareness
to be accurate, as self-aware constituent parts of the universe, we are already the universe's self-awareness
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 4 October 2018 00:59 (seven years ago)
Above, I was probably just channeling a memory of this quote by UC Santa Cruz cosmologist Anthony Aguirre, from Peter Brannen's Ends of the World: Volcanic Apocalypses, Lethal Oceans, and Our Quest to Understand Earth's Past Mass Extinctions:
Even though Aguirre works with scales and time spans that reinforce the astronomical insignificance of our species, he nevertheless thinks that our stewardship of the planet in the coming years is existentially, even cosmologically, consequential.“I think we’re at the point where essentially—depending on what happens in the next 100 years—I think it’s likely that either civilization and potentially all life on earth is going to self-destruct, or if it doesn’t, I think the likelihood is we will manage to get to nearby planets, then faraway planets, and sort of spread throughout the galaxy,” he said. “And so, if you compare those futures, one of them has basically zero interesting conscious stuff going on in it—depending on where you count animals and things—and one of them has an exponentially growing supply of interesting conscious experience. That’s a big deal. If we were just one species among many throughout the galaxy, it would kind of be like, ‘Well, if we do ourselves in, we had it coming. We got what we deserve.’ But if we’re kind of the only one in the galaxy—or one of very few—that’s a huge future that we’ve extinguished. And it’s all just because we’re being stupid now.”
“I think we’re at the point where essentially—depending on what happens in the next 100 years—I think it’s likely that either civilization and potentially all life on earth is going to self-destruct, or if it doesn’t, I think the likelihood is we will manage to get to nearby planets, then faraway planets, and sort of spread throughout the galaxy,” he said. “And so, if you compare those futures, one of them has basically zero interesting conscious stuff going on in it—depending on where you count animals and things—and one of them has an exponentially growing supply of interesting conscious experience. That’s a big deal. If we were just one species among many throughout the galaxy, it would kind of be like, ‘Well, if we do ourselves in, we had it coming. We got what we deserve.’ But if we’re kind of the only one in the galaxy—or one of very few—that’s a huge future that we’ve extinguished. And it’s all just because we’re being stupid now.”
― godless hippie skank (Sanpaku), Sunday, 7 October 2018 13:37 (seven years ago)
just because we’re being stupid now
Stupidity isn't a temporary aberration, but the shadow side of our "interesting" consciousness. It's a package deal; you can't separate them.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 7 October 2018 18:52 (seven years ago)
how dare u suggest there’s anything interesting about my consciousness
― shrek and han solo kinda dress the same (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 7 October 2018 18:59 (seven years ago)
Climate Change Will Get Worse. These Investors Are Betting on It
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 00:53 (seven years ago)
Investors focused on climate change have traditionally bet on fixes, such as renewable power and electric vehicles. Mitigation and adaptation is a grimmer project. But Jay Koh, co-founder and managing director of the Lightsmith Group, a private equity firm focused on climate adaptation, says it's necessary to acknowledge that things could get worse. “There is a requirement for some kind of psychological journey that people have to go through,” Koh says. “I’d rather have a strategy designed for the set of circumstances where we might not 100 percent win.”
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 01:05 (seven years ago)
also known as sets of circumstances where we lose
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 01:09 (seven years ago)
we should really just get plans in place for an orderly wind-down at this point
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 01:18 (seven years ago)
invest in a chain of assisted suicide centers and sterilization clinics
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 01:19 (seven years ago)
get a Junior Anti-Sex League up and running
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 01:23 (seven years ago)
maybe just kick off some wars now so we can spread it out a bit, not have to eradicate too many populations at once
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 01:24 (seven years ago)
this is good. it's about a week-long workshop in sweden for people overwhelmed by the world, run by one of the Dark Mountain guys (i had forgotten about them). somehow it's both exactly and not at all what you'd expect
Group Therapy for the End of the World
― 1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 01:37 (seven years ago)
hmm i’m no sanpaku for sure (i mean that in the informational sense) but i rather think the progression will shake out as a series of eruptive, economically extrinsic events, possibly geopolitical ones, which are so difficult to monetize reliably that theyre (we’re?) just burning money to stay fed, ultimately. I guess itll be rather long way down tho.
― Hunt3r, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 03:55 (seven years ago)
silby otm re: the assisted suicide centers and sterilization clinics
"i'm not only the president, i'm also a member"
― the late great, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 04:03 (seven years ago)
er, a "client"
https://i.imgur.com/IJNAHQm.png?1
FEMA’s public assistance program has provided at least $81 billion in this manner to state, territorial and local governments in response to disasters declared since 1992, according to a New York Times analysis of federal data. But an examination of projects across the country’s ever-expanding flood zones reveals that decisions to rebuild in place, often made seemingly in defiance of climate change, have at times left structures just as defenseless against the next storm.
― 1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 04:26 (seven years ago)
hm yep that'll definitely be above water for at least eight more weeks
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 04:34 (seven years ago)
Have I posted about the little group meetings I've been running, that could fairly be characterised as group therapy about climate change? It's been good.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 05:17 (seven years ago)
You haven't mentioned this here, AFAIK.
If you're a mental health professional I hope you're aware of reddit's r/CollapseSupport, which seems the current nexus guiding towards resources for those coming to terms with climate change, overpopulation, resource constraints, human extinction etc. Personally I'm past depression and into acceptance, but it cost me some years of life.
― godless hippie skank (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:38 (seven years ago)
xp: The entirety of Plaquemines parish will succumb to the waves within the next 50 years, all of Lousiana south of I-12 in the next 200. I live here, but only rent.
I'd really like a Dem majority to require that flood maps reflect the 1-2 m of sea level rise by 2100, the 4-5 m by 2200. As well as either limiting subsidized flood insurance to property above flood plains in updated maps. There no point in subsidizing coastal/marsh property that has no future, besides as scuba destination.
― godless hippie skank (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:46 (seven years ago)
Elsewhere i already predicted that trumpist developers/scotus will determine that remapping for safety and value is actually causing sea level rise and ocean encroachment, and deem it to be a violation of the takings clause, and order repayment of oceanfront owners for actual costs plus investment expectation $$. I mean it’s hella dumb but if it gets on fox news he could start tweeting—
― Hunt3r, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 21:11 (seven years ago)
In fact, even this report is overly conservative, as these IPCC reports often are. It turns out that in some ways this latest report has actually understated the amount of warming that we’ve already experienced because of the burning of fossil fuels and the increase in the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. And so arguably we are actually closer to those 1.5 degrees Celsius and 2.0 Celsius thresholds, temperature thresholds, that are discussed in the report.
https://therealnews.com/stories/michael-mann-we-are-even-closer-to-climate-disaster-than-ipcc-predicts
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 17:34 (seven years ago)