ya shamon everyone let's keep it on topic
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 23:36 (five years ago) link
yeah you can talk about Michael Jackson on the thread about Harvey Weinstein!
― faculty w1fe (silby), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 23:45 (five years ago) link
I don't wish to discuss it, it was just a glaring segue on the programme.
― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 23:46 (five years ago) link
i am getting kind of tired of standupi get through about 10 minutes of a lot of netflix specialsregular reminder that flicking through some stuff on Netflix is not the same thing as actually watching stand-upok what qualifies in your professional opinion?
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 August 2018 00:18 (five years ago) link
some good stand up...
classic pryor, any bamford, doug stanhope, neil brennan - 3 MICS (Netflix)
patrice o'neal - elephant in the room
iliza schlesinger is pretty good as well
― yes, said (Ross), Thursday, 30 August 2018 03:06 (five years ago) link
I've watched the Bamfords she is greatum...I saw Stanhope live and liked it, it had brilliant parts and some cringey parts, but I have mixed feelings about him overalllike I have watched plenty of comedy I just find a lot of stuff not that compelling and I am not as into the whole thing as I used to be I don't think that's unreasonableand to be honest if a comedian can't grab me in 15 minutes I'm not really interested
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 August 2018 03:41 (five years ago) link
the illiza s. one didn't do anything for me
Bad mood. Now I wish I did try to find a way in so I could have heckled. Perhaps it would have been closure for really liking Horace & Pete.
Anyway, new comedians please: really like Caitlin Gill, any others?
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 30 August 2018 03:52 (five years ago) link
I'm not going to pretend I didn't think his stand-up and his show (at times) were genuinely brilliant, insightful, and better than anything produced by 99% of the comedians working todaybut I have no desire to hear what he has to say on any subject or watch any project he's involved with ever again― Number None, Wednesday, August 29, 2018 2:13 PM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
but I have no desire to hear what he has to say on any subject or watch any project he's involved with ever again
― Number None, Wednesday, August 29, 2018 2:13 PM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Nhex, Thursday, 30 August 2018 03:59 (five years ago) link
Someone bump another comedy thread so we don’t have to talk about goodhearted comedians who have done no sex crimes in this thread
― faculty w1fe (silby), Thursday, 30 August 2018 04:06 (five years ago) link
Done and done.
Rolling Stand-Up Comedy 2018
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 30 August 2018 04:08 (five years ago) link
Anyway, fuck this guy. I'm A-OK never hearing from him again.
Distinguishing between the artist and his/her act is generally a smooth process for me. Except when so much of said artist's material depends on openly autobiographical elements, in which case we are dared not to dissociate the person from the persona (I'm happy to oblige, for the most part, especially when the living are involved).
― pomenitul, Thursday, 30 August 2018 08:28 (five years ago) link
yeah, he can fuck off and die. this shouldn't even be a question.
― Yerac, Thursday, 30 August 2018 11:14 (five years ago) link
https://www.thecut.com/2018/08/what-about-the-careers-of-louis-ck-victims.html
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 30 August 2018 12:51 (five years ago) link
the hard part for me in terms of ever listening to him is that too much of the weird sex hangups and dysfunction was a part of his comedy, like it feels really tied to what happened, and i guess sort of manipulative in retrospect...i can't really see just laughing at him like a regular comedian again
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, August 29, 2018 10:24 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
thought about this more and it feels like the comedy, his whole persona, the way he presented himself as an auteur comedian, even the things he did to help tig notaro, like it feels more than even manipulative, it feels like it was part of his process of being a predator, a cover or a way to set himself up in a way he knew that would be hard to criticize
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 August 2018 14:33 (five years ago) link
yeah, otm for sure
― my dream is to never be a champion (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 30 August 2018 14:38 (five years ago) link
another vote for the "liked some stuff he did but don't ever want to hear him again" camp
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 30 August 2018 15:20 (five years ago) link
What is shitty is that he didn't even have the common sense to not make his Comedy Cellar bit a surprise? He is smart, he knew women would be there, and he knew some women just don't want no part in this.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 30 August 2018 17:18 (five years ago) link
he knew women would be there, and he knew some women just don't want no part in this
let's be honest, this was by intention, that's what he enjoys about it
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 August 2018 17:22 (five years ago) link
Good thread from Jen Kirkman:
I didn’t have proof he did any of this masturbation stuff. Only rumors. He verbally did some sick stuff to me. I got harassed so bad for speaking on it with no one in my community to back me up I stopped. He apologized. And lied to me about the others. This is the mess of it all. https://t.co/DeQ9U9pM91— JEN KIRKMAN (@JenKirkman) August 30, 2018
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 30 August 2018 18:07 (five years ago) link
yeah, the "there's no way she didn't know" argument has always irritated me. people often don't know these things! especially when known liars are involved!
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 30 August 2018 18:24 (five years ago) link
The comedy community seems to police itself better when it comes to joke stealing.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 30 August 2018 18:35 (five years ago) link
Joke stealing happens in public in front of hundreds of people.
What is shitty is that he didn't even have the common sense to not make his Comedy Cellar bit a surprise?
Not suggesting he should be trying to come back at all, but this is not how this works.
He is smart, he knew women would be there, and he knew some women just don't want no part in this.
Seems plausible to me that this issue simply wouldn't have occurred to him. ( <- a criticism, not an excuse)
― ▫◌▫ (sic), Thursday, 30 August 2018 22:00 (five years ago) link
I know that's not really how Comedy Cellar works.
But yeah, it doesn't matter how that club functions, he doesn't give a shit and that's abhorrent.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 30 August 2018 22:06 (five years ago) link
Yeah, he could have just worked another club where that isn't an issue.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 30 August 2018 22:12 (five years ago) link
wow mo ryan goes inhttps://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/louis-ck-has-clearly-learned-nothing-im-done-guest-column-1138704
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 30 August 2018 22:28 (five years ago) link
great piece
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 August 2018 22:35 (five years ago) link
yeah, lays it all out there
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 August 2018 22:35 (five years ago) link
the "public persona as con" angle is otm
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 August 2018 22:36 (five years ago) link
Jesus fuckin christ the rape whistle jokes.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 30 August 2018 22:38 (five years ago) link
not about CK, but the only room I know of that announces "names" doing new is Giant Dwarf, and they charge punters double what regular rooms do for the privilege. this is not a better way of doing things. how many of the rooms you go to even list everyone who's going up that night at the door, let alone in advance?
about CK: he shouldn't have done bland material after his time away. he shouldn't have done rape whistle jokes. he should have had empathy for other people that would be in the venue. he probably shouldn't be going back onstage in any circumstances. but if he HAD been introspective, if he HAD examined what a horrible destructive prick he was, if he WAS writing something that tore down his previous work and advanced better viewpoints or shouted out and raised up his victims, it wouldn't be better if he were charging $30 a ticket in advance to watch him write it.
anyway we should all shut up except for Mo Ryan, Jen Kirkman, and any of the other victims whose names we don't remember for bad reasons, instead of talking about this masturbating thumb man
― ▫◌▫ (sic), Thursday, 30 August 2018 23:26 (five years ago) link
Truly excellent article. It doesn't matter one bit that "that's not how the comedy cellar works", it seems that to be a woman on that ocasion, in that cellar, in that circumstance is to submit. There's no room for anyone, any woman particularly, to be the dissenting voice in that space for fear of reprisals and at the risk of abuse, further abuse than the abuse already inflicted on the woman in the audience by simply being there at the wrong time.
http://www.vulture.com/2018/08/louis-ck-comedy-cellar-women-describe-rape-whistle-joke.html
― Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Thursday, 30 August 2018 23:32 (five years ago) link
@NoamDworman you've been trying for 9 months to poke holes in our story and it's getting really painful. Critically think about this- After a late show at a comedy festival that you worked your ass off to get in to, all the bars are closed, and the headliner who we thought we had— Dana & Julia (@DanaAndJulia) August 31, 2018
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 31 August 2018 00:57 (five years ago) link
I've known Mo for years - she was my first real editor - and I love how she finally seems to have found a high-profile platform. It's only made her voice and writing better.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 31 August 2018 01:16 (five years ago) link
A podcast I used to do had her on as a guest once or twice and she was always just the nicest.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 31 August 2018 01:35 (five years ago) link
(Not something I can say about all the American critics/writers we had on who have gone on to bigger and better things.)
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 31 August 2018 01:40 (five years ago) link
I posted it on another thread, but Aziz recently did a small comedy club here. They sent out an email to their mailing list the day before, no press, just saying he was "working out new material" (then he did the same thing a couple days later at a large theater here, still zero press). So at least in that case people could choose whether they wanted to see/support him or not.
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 31 August 2018 01:58 (five years ago) link
the aziz ansari situation is not remotely similar honestly
― 🦅 (Trϵϵship), Friday, 31 August 2018 01:59 (five years ago) link
i'm not an aziz defender and i would be happy if his career is over because his show sucks, but i don't think it does anyone any favors to compare that strange, ambiguous situation with a guy who repeatedly exposed himself to fellow comics and then pressured them to stay quiet.
― 🦅 (Trϵϵship), Friday, 31 August 2018 02:02 (five years ago) link
I'm not comparing, I'm just saying that's probably a better approach than showing up unannounced at a club (assuming that he's going to return to stand-up no matter what)
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 31 August 2018 03:25 (five years ago) link
― Yerac, Thursday, August 30, 2018 8:14 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― yes, said (Ross), Friday, 31 August 2018 18:41 (five years ago) link
These surprise appearances by Louis CK keep getting worse https://t.co/N3B0OfjBJ0— andi zeisler (@andizeisler) August 31, 2018
― frogbs, Friday, 31 August 2018 18:59 (five years ago) link
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/10/30/arts/louis-ck-comedy-cellar.amp.html
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 30 October 2018 14:25 (five years ago) link
Many club owners in New York, with an eye on ticket sales, said they would welcome him back.
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 14:47 (five years ago) link
i mean this isn't a bombshell or anything but the driving force behind these shitheads returning to the public eye is always people who know they're gonna make a shitload of money
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 14:49 (five years ago) link
yup :(
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 30 October 2018 14:50 (five years ago) link
I'm honestly okay with that. Fuck every asshole who books him or buys a ticket, they've shown that they're awful human beings, but... That's kinda good to know?
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 15:13 (five years ago) link
“So what kind of year have you guys had?” Louis C.K. said, starting off his set. “They tell you that when you get in trouble you find out who your real friends are. It’s black people, it turns out. They’ll stick by you.”
jfc fuck this asshole
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 17:54 (five years ago) link
fuck him for sure, but that is presumably a set-up, not a policy statement. as reporting, it's the equivalent of that horrendous Edinburgh Fringe thread every year.
― Sing The Mighty Beat (sic), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:08 (five years ago) link