Rolling Maleness and Masculinity Discussion Thread

Hooters should branch off into the life coaching business

On a serious note, if hooters is going out of business—good. The food service industry is humiliating enough without throwing in a business model that encourages sexual harassment. I always felt depressed when i drove past a hooters, or walked past that one in midtown

Boobs or gtfo

did marc loi change his online name and avatar?

It should look pretty much the same to everyone?

I agree. But "should" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence.

"I think of current Hooters as some weird, exotic, unique luxury experience, like going to a magician restaurant"
^^some of it makes me wonder if he was trolling

I think that something along the lines of Eric's neo-hooters could well happen in the near future and be successful, maybe not so much with millennial but the next generation down? you'll have a generation's worth of nerdy boys who have grown up with internet porn, camgirls, twitch streaming, vlogging etc. social media blurring the lines between socialising and friendship and a performance that you're remunerated for, all those young ppl on twitter for whom it's a tenet that sex work shouldn't be stigmatized, all of this seems like it will start leaking out into the real world, like that New Yorker article from the other day about the guy who spends all day walking around livestreaming himself?
or maybe there will be a backlash to all this and it won't happen? but it seems to be direction of travel

the future is going to be so much worse than i could have predicted

I think that something along the lines of Eric's neo-hooters could well happen in the near future and be successful, maybe not so much with millennial but the next generation down? you'll have a generation's worth of nerdy boys who have grown up with internet porn, camgirls, twitch streaming, vlogging etc. social media blurring the lines between socialising and friendship and a performance that you're remunerated for, all those young ppl on twitter for whom it's a tenet that sex work shouldn't be stigmatized, all of this seems like it will start leaking out into the real world, like that New Yorker article from the other day about the guy who spends all day walking around livestreaming himself?

Honestly I read that whole thing and immediately thought "If I could round up investors I could open a place like that and make a fuckload of money." Of course, it would have the same problem you'd encounter if you started a cult - you have to spend all day and night surrounded by people who genuinely believe and need the bullshit you just came up with to rook them out of their cash.

on the media had a good ep about twitch the other day. one of the stories was about a guy who is basically homeless who started streaming and his users basically chipped in money to issue commands to this guy. some of it involved him asking a woman out and it got predictably weird. check it:

https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/streaming-while-homeless/

did marc loi change his online name and avatar?

― omar little, Monday, August 20, 2018 7:18 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao

Honestly I read that whole thing and immediately thought "If I could round up investors I could open a place like that and make a fuckload of money."

There's probably a bot already available that would provide that sort of function online. Alternately, see Woody Allen's "The Whore of Mensa."

And I'm not sad to see Hooters in distress. However, they and their ilk are really just the more extreme outliers of an economic system that encourages patrons to treat service workers as available for...additional services.

please kill us: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/men-resist-green-behavior-as-unmanly/

this doesn't surprise me whatsoever, unfortunately...so much received wisdom about men and what makes you properly masculine involves doing shit that isn't very good for you personally let alone the environment. i think it's a very american thing too, though obviously not limited to america.

yeah actually what's fucked is that the line about perceiving people who take their own bags to the grocery store as more feminine resonated b/c I can feel that instinct kicking in in my own brain when I'm carrying bags to the sore, even though intellectually I love to reuse bags, hate accumulating plastic bags, and now in Montreal you can't even get them

i held a door for a guy once who was carrying two 24 packs of Keystone Light and he looked at me like i just propositioned him

Serious non-masculinity related question. I try to do things that are good for the environment but have long resisted reusable grocery bags because the disposable ones are so good for trash can liners and for picking up after my dogs. I've been doing this for decades. What do people do if they switch to reusable?

buy some compostable trash bags from Amazon maybe?

I still seem to acquire plastic bags unwillingly in random ways (takeout food being a big one), but I also buy compostable/biodegradable bags specifically for cat litter use. I also started re-using the plastic shell that toilet paper comes in

i like to take reusable grocery bags because they're more capacious and sturdy. stupidly still use regular plastic bags for garbage whether store bought or gotten from store when i forget a reusable bag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYPMbLO4pAY

extremely glad that i don't worry about my masculinity when bringing reusable bags #notallmen

I think about those rolling coal types all the time. Idk why except maybe that it's so utterly perverse and puerile. If you live on this planet, its well-being is necessary to your survival. What do they think? Ans: I'm pretty sure none of them are thinking about anything except being hateful.

i found this post i made in the gun control debate thread, slightly tangentially related

it's worldwide but there's also that thing w/fetishizing things that are dirty and destructive, skulls and beer and smoke and all that. part of me thinks green energy and clean air and non-violence are nonstarters *not* because of "realists" talking about the economy or the need for defense, but because there's an intrinsic appeal to the former and a charisma that comes from engaging w/those things that doesn't exist in the latter. like things that are clean can be boring, non-violence isn't exciting. i know that sounds stupid but i actually think subconsciously (not even a bit consciously) that plays a not-small role.

― omar little, Tuesday, February 27, 2018 11:29 AM (seven months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i read in an interesting book about garbage that ironically using non-biodegradable plastic bags for trash helps keep the contents from leaching toxins into landfills.
i mean that it's ironic that by having an eco-unfriendly lifespan it protects the environment, not that insincerity somehow fortifies plastic bags.

Well yeah everything that goes into a landfill is never biodegrading, it doesn't matter how compostable the bags are. The whole point of landfills is to seal trash in an airtight environment where it can't naturally break down.

have long resisted reusable grocery bags

uh, from what you say, you are reusing them, just not dozens of times. it appears that the use you put your grocery bags to is by nature the final use of any bag you might employ to that purpose. if you were to replace grocery bags with some kind of single-use replacement, you have gained nothing.

Hmmm, this is almost as bad as all the men not brushing their teeth.

good post omar, also add that clean things can seem hoity-toity to men, like way too considered..I've known many dudes who would rather just act like they haven't got a care in the world than think about carrying a reusable bag (devil may care)

my experience mirrors Jim's exactly tho

is it even documented that men are less environmentally conscious than women?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/05/real-men-dont-recycle-how-sexist-stereotypes-are-killing-the-planet

alright fine, i believe it

What about the men who don't wipe their butts or clean them in the shower because...gay? At what point does masculinity cross over to extreme psychosis?

i think it's around the point that the dingleberry extends all the way to the floor and it's making a loud dragging noise whenever you walk

What about the men who don't wipe their butts or clean them in the shower because...gay? At what point does masculinity cross over to extreme psychosis?

― Cousin Slappy

my favorite are the men who won't go near a bidet because it's not "manly" enough and use baby wipes on their ass instead

This was the teeth brushing thing I mentioned. Like what is the deal with this? Laziness, don't want to listen to mom? https://www.gq.com/story/brush-your-teeth-guys

don't want to insert a phallic object in mouth?

pretty sure these non-teeth brushers are mostly depressed

Xp

Easy — vagina shaped toothbrushes

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dril-and-the-boys-twitter_us_5bb66529e4b028e1fe3bfd71

Dril and the boys wallow in the same miasma from which all our era’s reactionary movements have emerged — the MAGAs and Pepes, MRAs and incels, GamerGaters and ComicsGaters, Sad Puppies and Proud Boys and all the other doofuses with unwittingly infantilizing sobriquets.

With “the boys,” the humorist behind dril has tapped into the overall vibe in this country that there exists, somewhere out there ― perhaps in a TJ Maxx ― a lost masculine ideal. No one agrees on what it is, least of all dril, whose psyche is as piecemeal as his punctuation. It could be yelling at NFL protesters to stand for the national anthem or screaming at Disney for committing white genocide in the “Star Wars” films. It could be having sex all the time or having no sex at all. It could be respecting the majesty of the law or flouting it or both, depending on whom the law is meant to penalize. It’s the nightmare superego-id hybrid, 10 pounds of Blue Lives Matter shit in a five-pound “Live free or die” bag.

When men fail to live up to the puritanical amorality of the boys, they’re less than men, which is to say — as women have a lifetime to learn — they’re less than human. Such men earn sexualized insults like “betas” and “cucks.” They’re reduced to contemptuous acronyms like “SJWs” and “NPCs.” They make the soy face. They listen to dad rock. This blend of macho aggression and childlike vulnerability cannot be resolved in the real world, where it results in a racist, revanchist, minority party controlling all branches of government and installing sexual predators in every available position of power yet still acting like the David to the Goliath of Me Too, female gamers and the theoretical casting of Idris Elba as James Bond.

I love the phrase "puritanical amorality" - it sums up so much that's being discussed here.

These are dark times.

wow that was depressing
what does this mean? They make the soy face.

Ugh, I wish I didn't know the answer to your question: https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1376587-soy-boy

I wrote a whole long post but it very well might have been bullshit. I find these people repulsive maybe bc I recognize in them a tendency I left behind a long time ago (maybe age 15), thisbkind of idea that being callous and “ironic” was cool and sophisticated. Also these people searching for an identity in toxic constructs of masculinity should be relatable for anyone in the sense that they are looking for an identity and an ethos and are petrified that society has no place for them. I think society is honestly failing to provide role models for all kinds of young people and this problem is just intersecting with changing gender norms in an explosive way.

I guess if you truly feel like the world owes you everything, there's no motivation to do anything... brush your teeth, recycle, make sense.

What this shit is basically is nihilism. They reject all traces of generosity and vulnerability and replace it with some kind of confused and inconsistent obsession with dominance.

Maybe it’s just entitlement, idk. The mra stuff alluded to in that article about dril tombot posted scares me a lot.

treesh, that sounds like jordan peterson's argument - but unfortunately his solution is utter cack

Peterson is one of these people. He insists on “dominance hierarchies” and asserts that “chaos” is “inherently feminine.”