that's it. and only one before jane campion.
― gangsta hug (omar little), Thursday, 28 May 2009 20:35 (seventeen years ago)
Linda Richman: Okay. Now, this show is dedicated, as ever, to Barbra Joan Streisand. Yes. We love her. And, of course, the big news - "Prince of Tides". 7 Oscar nominations total, including Best Picture. But Barbra did not get a nomination for Best Director.
Liz: Long story short - I love "Prince of Tides". It was to die for! And to think a poor little mescite from Brooklyn made this masterpiece, and she's not getting any recognition for it.. [ near tears ] I'm sorry, but I get a little choked up!
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Thursday, 28 May 2009 20:46 (seventeen years ago)
I just remembered Mary Harron (sp?)
― sadbigail (Abbott), Thursday, 6 August 2009 22:28 (sixteen years ago)
I mentioned her upthread. A male film-critic friend of mine noted when I last saw him that his favorite two films of 2009 are directed by women -- Bigelow's The Hurt Locker and Campion's forthcoming Bright Star.
― jaymc, Thursday, 6 August 2009 22:31 (sixteen years ago)
Manohla Dargis gets something off her (undoubtedly magnificent) chest:
http://jezebel.com/5426065/fuck-them-times-critic-on-hollywood-women--why-romantic-comedies-suck
Do you think that a woman would have been able to get forty million dollars to make a puppet movie the way that Wes Anderson has been able to make, bringing to bear all the publicity and advertising budget of Fox? After two movies that didn't make a lot of money? I think this is true for a lot of black filmmakers too – they're held to a higher standard. And an unfair standard. You can be a male filmmaker and if you're perceived as a genius – a boy genius or a fully-formed adult genius – that you are allowed to fail in a way that a woman is not allowed to fail.
― queen frostine (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 02:35 (sixteen years ago)
letting Nora Ephron have it should always be encouraged.
― Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 02:39 (sixteen years ago)
that movie cost $40million?!?
― akira goldsman (s1ocki), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 03:20 (sixteen years ago)
there's no thread on the hurt locker!
― jed_, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 03:44 (sixteen years ago)
<3 Manohla
― avatar brothers (Tape Store), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 03:45 (sixteen years ago)
Do you think that a woman would have been able to get forty million dollars to make a puppet movie the way that Wes Anderson has been able to make, bringing to bear all the publicity and advertising budget of Fox? After two movies that didn't make a lot of money? ...they're held to a higher standard. And an unfair standard. You can be a male filmmaker and if you're perceived as a genius – a boy genius or a fully-formed adult genius – that you are allowed to fail in a way that a woman is not allowed to fail.
this
― a dimension that can only be accessed through self-immolation (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 03:48 (sixteen years ago)
tried to find info on female box office records and such, but couldn't really find any. nora ephron probably a good bet i'm sure?
― sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 03:49 (sixteen years ago)
"So does that mean I have to go support Nora Ephron? Fuck no. That's just like, blech."
<3
― jed_, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 03:51 (sixteen years ago)
"Let's acknowledge that the Oscars are bullshit and we hate them. But they are important commercially... I've learned to never underestimate the academy's bad taste. Crash as best picture? What the fuck."
― jed_, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 03:52 (sixteen years ago)
Manohla is a g-d swashbuckler in this article.
― queen frostine (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:05 (sixteen years ago)
One, the people making them have no fucking taste, two, they're morons, three they're insulting panderers who think they're making movies for the great unwashed and that's what they want.
killing it
― ^_^ (_² ÷_X +_- (Lamp), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:06 (sixteen years ago)
"People are starved for representations of themselves."
so true
― 囧 (dyao), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:11 (sixteen years ago)
pretty much otm unfortunately
― you are wrong I'm bone thugs in harmon (omar little), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:17 (sixteen years ago)
I'm wondering when the young white male demographic will get a movie of our own
― krampus activities (latebloomer), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:21 (sixteen years ago)
I can only hope to do it as much justice as Manohla does Ephron's movies.
― queen frostine (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:24 (sixteen years ago)
http://www.indiewire.com/article/b.o._of_the_00s_the_top_grossing_female_helmed_films/
― avatar brothers (Tape Store), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:27 (sixteen years ago)
Awesome, TS. I was just looking for something like that.
― Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:29 (sixteen years ago)
Third place is What Women Want. It should all be so easy.
― queen frostine (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:31 (sixteen years ago)
I would pay to see a movie of Manohla Dargis intelligently cursing up a storm.
― Bay-L.A. Bar Talk (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:41 (sixteen years ago)
― Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Monday, December 14, 2009 9:39 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Agreed. Julie and Julia was such a nice, pleasant, charming DOG TURD of a film.
― Bay-L.A. Bar Talk (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:43 (sixteen years ago)
Half a dog turd. The other half was just dog food.
― queen frostine (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:44 (sixteen years ago)
The Julie parts were garbage. The Julia Child parts were enjoyable but kind of empty at the same time: has idea to write cookbook -> writes cookbook -> gets it published! Yay, life is swell! The end.
― Bay-L.A. Bar Talk (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:48 (sixteen years ago)
A male film-critic friend of mine noted when I last saw him that his favorite two films of 2009 are directed by women -- Bigelow's The Hurt Locker and Campion's forthcoming Bright Star.
Would this be Brian, "Jaymc's film-critic friend"????
― admrl, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 05:14 (sixteen years ago)
4. jaymc's "film critic friend"Defining Characteristics: metaphorically stands in for ILXors pathological habit for using film critic quotes instead of stating their own thoughtsMost Famous Battle(s): being invoked by adamrl on the Capote threadHumanizing Factor: is friends with jaymc, so is probably sweet like sugar pieSecret Powers: too good to throw down in the low-down catty 300-plus-post battlesWeak Point/Guilty Pleasure/Kryptonite Analogue: dittoKnown Enemies: adamrl― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 3 March 2006 02:00 (3 years ago)
― admrl, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 05:15 (sixteen years ago)
Indeed!
― Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 05:19 (sixteen years ago)
I missed him.
― queen frostine (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 05:20 (sixteen years ago)
I never see him anymore. I sort of fell out of touch with the group of friends I met him through. Plus, he had a kid a few months ago. But you know, if you're curious about his take on recent films, go nuts.
― Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 05:28 (sixteen years ago)
He agrees with Tomatometer 79% of the time. Figured it would be higher than that. I feel like I've had to make a conscious effort to get mine down to 75%.
― queen frostine (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 05:33 (sixteen years ago)
And that's with the help of dozens of Disney movies.
― queen frostine (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 05:34 (sixteen years ago)
PUPPET MOVIES ARE EXPENSIVE.
Also, FMF has only grossed $16m.
― Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 11:40 (sixteen years ago)
I think this is true for a lot of black filmmakers too – they're held to a higher standard. And an unfair standard. You can be a male filmmaker and if you're perceived as a genius – a boy genius or a fully-formed adult genius
this is such a fascinating area - generally the lack of artistry seen in black art at large. if you're brian wilson and you spend your days pushing buttons you're a troubled genius, if you're sly stone and you re-record all your album tracks yourself you're a power crazed whacked out saboteur.
― high-five machine (schlump), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 12:38 (sixteen years ago)
sly is generally viewed as a troubled genius iirc
― a dimension that can only be accessed through self-immolation (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 22:19 (sixteen years ago)
yeah I don't buy that at all, critics love female 'troubled geniuses' too - sylvia plath, cat power etc.
― iatee, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 22:32 (sixteen years ago)
It's the 1p3 What Do You WISH You Looked Like Thread ; )
― harbl, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 22:37 (sixteen years ago)
generally the lack of artistry seen in black art at large.
this is a fairly inexplicable charge to make
― Magnolia Caboose Babyfinger (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 22:40 (sixteen years ago)
America LOVES black music FYI and not for any perceived "lack of artistry"
female trouble genius
― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 22:42 (sixteen years ago)
i don't know if i can articulate what i'm getting at, but i think that the standard 'artistic' model, of some piece of art being the product of a refined expressive mind, is less visible. to stick to my previous example, because it's easier to be narrow, i think the comparative coverage of there's a riot goin' on and pet sounds or smile is so jarring - there are obviously too many variables and differences in style to call them analogues, but it feels like similar stories reach different conclusions and laud one guy and not the other. i'm obviously not disputing that america loves black music; or that american music is black music etc etc etc; and not suggesting that it fetishises its lack of artistry? i am trying to put words to the vague idea that genius or artist is bestowed on white authors or whatever sooner than it is elsewhere; maybe that's an inevitable high/low culture judgement.
― high-five machine (schlump), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 23:08 (sixteen years ago)
I don't know what universe you're living in where Sly is not lauded. Greil Marcus wrote a whole chapter about Riot, he didn't write shit about Brian Wilson for ex.
― Magnolia Caboose Babyfinger (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 23:10 (sixteen years ago)
and that's not some retrospective thing either, Sly was lauded as a genius from the get-go, and rightly so. Brian had to grow into it publicly. Both squandered it, obviously.
― Magnolia Caboose Babyfinger (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 23:11 (sixteen years ago)
yeahhh I think your argument might feel stronger if you weren't using a super acclaimed album / ilx's top album of the 70s as an example of some ignored piece of black culture
― iatee, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 23:12 (sixteen years ago)
http://yallbcn.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/gza1.jpg
― you are wrong I'm bone thugs in harmon (omar little), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 23:12 (sixteen years ago)
Not even just Sly -- Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder were hailed as artistic geniuses around the same time.
― Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 23:14 (sixteen years ago)
curtis mayfield
― you are wrong I'm bone thugs in harmon (omar little), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 23:16 (sixteen years ago)
ha, yeah maybe so. it isn't the ignored piece of black culture thing that i'm suggesting though; more that it can still occupy a prominent position but without the same kudos for the author. man i don't even know.
― high-five machine (schlump), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 23:17 (sixteen years ago)
charlie parker
― Dean Gaffney's December (history mayne), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 23:18 (sixteen years ago)