the alt-right

I noticed the other day outside the subway some swastikas carved in the cement. I have no idea how old it is but i am thinking of contacting the city about it

Anyway i hope your neighbor is not a white supremacist. That would be an unsettling thing to live next to.

i saw on my way to work the other day that somebody had put up a STOP KISSING ILLEGAL ASS sticker on the back of a stop sign and i made a note to tear it down but it had alreay been torn down by the time i got back from work

they are not my immediate neighbor. my immediate neighbors are a black and latino mixed race couple (they are military and into martial arts and shooting, they have a WE DON’T CALL 911 sign w a picture of a 45 on it on the front door that i wish they’d take down)

i live in a condo complex so i actually have seven neighbors and they’re all cool. gay, straight, white, black, asian, latino, young, old etc etc

it’s the people in detached housing down the street you got to look out for /iatee

but yeah they look like nice people, white and probably xian but who knows. i assume it’s some sort of community service organization? they also had a tent on the lawn nezt to the flagpole which is why i thought of scouting first

you just never know these days

That’s true. If they seem nice and normal I’d reckon they’re not bonafide ideological nazis but who the fuck knows anymore

to summarize guns are a big thing but not sure about racism, must say that if i had to choose between having guns in the nbhd and having racists in the nbhd i might actually pick racists

Can’t stress enough how underwhelming the #UniteTheRight2 #unitetheright group is. Twenty MAGA dudes walking inside of 100s of cops, 100s of media, and 1000s of counter demonstrators down F street pic.twitter.com/BQZBpn9oME

— Scott Heins (@scottheins) August 12, 2018

it really does look more like a police parade than a rally

funny thing that

Yeah i mean even most maga people i assume aren’t down with this crowd. Which makes trump’s inability to condemn them even creepier

can someone explain why alt right ppl are so into anime?

― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Saturday, August 11, 2018 1:39 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so are a lot of tankies ime

Most maga people not into this because of course they are not racist. I mean, they'll support racists and racist policy and policy that people call racist, but march with racists? Heaven forbid, they love all kinds of people! White people, brown people, black people yellow people ...

I am not saying they are not racist jesus fucking christ

If you want to live in a mental world where 40% of the country are equivalent to neo nazis who chanted “jews will not replace us” before running over a woman with a car, fine

But as milton parker pointed out, barely anyone showed up to this thing today. Which is good. It means they are not widely supported.

Chill out dude, I don't like these racists or the racist maga people.

cool, so we're agreed

But as milton parker pointed out, barely anyone showed up to this thing today. Which is good. It means they are not widely supported.

― Trϵϵship

couldn't get across the country from the racist rally in portland last weekend in time, i gather

xpost not widely supported anywhere, except by the police

between this and portland/berkeley last week, fascinating to watch the police strategy for these rallies tack towards escorts & barricades & shutting down public transit services (and lying about doing so) as the best way to prevent violence

I was at Berkeley last week, it was the same thing; micro-gathering in MLK park, with police barricades roping off all public access one block off in all directions. It's a united decision.

hm, yeah it is quite fucked especially because the white supremacist groups have been the perpetrators of the violence not the victims.

you'd think someone might have alerted them to the possible optics of starting to do this nationwide, all in the same week. I suspect it didn't occur to whomever it was handing down the orders that those optics would be bad

i have this weird feeling that the ones who get "optics" on that front... maybe is ok with the way this looks /paranoid

*maybe are ok

Police chiefs, police union leaders and their subordinate honchos mostly just want to have an excuse to fuck up antifa and BLM folks; barricading KKK wannabes is a great opportunity to get to do that

DCPD isn’t like that but I assume Fairfax totally is

Some depts are more blatant/overt than others, but given the chance, cops will side with the fash every damn time. Can't imagine why, tho

i have this weird feeling that the ones who get "optics" on that front... maybe is ok with the way this looks /paranoid

on that note...

"Map Ref. 42°N 94°W"

ooooops wrong thread

Coordinates of the neo-Nazi stronghold.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/us/unite-the-right-charlottesville-anniversary/index.html

apparently the white supremacists only had around two dozen people show up on their side today

kind of freaked out that I'm apparently a 45 minute drive from the neo-nazi stronghold

think of it as on opportunity. how long do you think it will take you to paint their building pink over night?

lol sorry that was a joke referencing m bison's mispost

there is no stronghold at "Map Ref. 42°N 94°W"

well, we gotta do something with all this pink paint...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/us/unite-the-right-charlottesville-anniversary/index.html

apparently the white supremacists only had around two dozen people show up on their side today

― Trϵϵship, Monday, August 13, 2018 3:15 AM (thirteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Was nice of DC Metro to give two dozen assholes their private subway ride to the protest

maybe next time they could just seal the subway car doors and drop it off on a side track that's no longer in use

There's extensive video of them being put on a separate train car.

― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, August 12, 2018 9:36 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ATU friend tells me they were loaded en masse to their own car w/their metro pd escort, but that the car hadn't been cleared of all others -- so basically they got a "shared" car that they shared with their police escort and whichever unlucky tourists were boarding at Vienna that morning

new Contrapoints, on the language and outlook of incels, is awesome and disturbing. She goes to some truly insightful places.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD2briZ6fB0

halfway through. this is pretty informative

She’s a genius.

wow yeah, that ends up ending up really interesting and powerful in drawing connections to a specific experience to reach out in a way that's empathetic. "the solution to that has to be therapeutic, not logical."

She balances empathy and scorn so wonderfully.

i think she does a good job analyzing what is happening with the people who visit these forums--looking for confirmations of their hopelessness/basically engaging in "digital self harm"--and she is totally right that this is a "death cult."

the creepy thing to me about these people is that it's like a closed worldview with its own vocabulary that makes no sense to outsiders. we are all familiar with what sexism looks like, but these people are way more extreme--they have a completely brutal and unrelenting theory of human behavior/hierarchy

one of the problems is ascribing humanity to non-humans

i think they're humans. many of them probably don't *fully* believe in this stuff but are participating in order to vent or explore some unsavory parts of their own character and psychology. (not an excuse -- by posting this stuff, they're spreading evil in the world).

but you're right, there is certainly an element here that is truly antisocial and dangerous and it's hard to know what to do about it. more stigma isn't gonna work bc these people aren't looking to be accepted by the normies.

i support unplugging the internet for a period of five years in which the whole of humanity explores their consciousness in silent meditation

yes that. of course i don't believe that you "win an argument" by adopting the rhetoric of your enemy. i'm certain that fascism is a refusal to recognize humanism and that using the latter to contest the former is silly. this is not about logic and conviction.

and you know damn well Treesh that the internet isn't getting unplugged so as a proposal...come on.

Really liked her coinage of "dogmatic hopelessness," which better gets at what I've tried to write about these guys here (on another thread maybe): that it's linked to psychological theories of "embeddedness"-- a fear of and resistence to change, growing up, etc (perhaps also linked to being left behind by your peer group and a larger social disinclination to socialize young men). It's an ideological deliberately designed to forestall taking any form of action other than resentment and self-criticism.

Plus, it's clear their feelings of rejection are largely fantasized projections. As anyone who's been rejected repeatedly can tell you: it's not that bad.