The way to realign the Democratic Party isn’t just to run insurgent candidates who occasionally upset the party’s establishment. The way to move the Democratic Party to the left is for progressives to become the party’s establishment.
The way we put it in my org's strategy doc a couple of years ago:
It means setting a standard and putting forward demands that will unify democratic voters and polarize politicians and party leadership, forcing them to either shift with their base or risk losing their primary races to progressive challengers willing to prove they will represent everyday people instead of wealthy campaign contributors.
*constanza voice* seize the levers, baby
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 19:23 (seven years ago)
People seem to think the radical right just walked into the Republican Party one day and took it over, but the fact is that it took decades of struggle. The notion that you could just issue a verdict on this fight among the Dems on the basis of one night's elections is absurd. https://t.co/wstc7ktVGq— corey robin (@CoreyRobin) August 9, 2018
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 August 2018 16:45 (seven years ago)
yup
3 years ago the story was "A socialist will never get more than 5% anywhere outside of Vermont."Now if socialists don't win absolutely every primary we run in, we're sputtering? It's obvious to everyone that this is the biggest political shift in generations. C'mon now. https://t.co/1RQNaLcTbX— Lee J. Carter (@carterforva) August 9, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 9 August 2018 16:51 (seven years ago)
idk about "biggest political shift in generations" - the implosion of the GOP into a nihilistic cult-of-personality is surely bigger
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 August 2018 16:52 (seven years ago)
I honestly think it's fine and even good if the centrists are in denial. Let them think that, let DSA and other groups do the quiet work to take over county committees and state assembly seats and that sort of thing under the radar.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 9 August 2018 16:53 (seven years ago)
Read your reassuring Politico article and feel smug as you go back to brunch.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 9 August 2018 16:54 (seven years ago)
idk about "biggest political shift in generations" - the implosion of the GOP into a nihilistic cult-of-personality is surely bigger― Οὖτις, Thursday, August 9, 2018 12:52 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Οὖτις, Thursday, August 9, 2018 12:52 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ok good point, it's in the top 2.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:00 (seven years ago)
if anything it's sustainability/growth is a reaction to the first, and the extent of it remains to be seen. feels v much in its infancy to me at this point
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:05 (seven years ago)
"biggest political shift in generations"
The Dem lurch to the left will remain superficial until things like Medicare For All and minimum wage increases get implemented. Until then, it's nothing but a brainstorming session (one I'm pleased is happening, for sure, but one that's still more theoretical than practical).
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:09 (seven years ago)
IDK, the radical right has had a pretty successful incrementalist approach to a lot of their goals.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:10 (seven years ago)
And, because this country is so jumpy, the moment Dems regain legislative power (and hopefully executive power), they'll have to act fast on this stuff. People want to see tangible results fast because people are kinda dumb, tbh.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:12 (seven years ago)
the material conditions that are engendering greater acceptance of socialism are only going to continue.
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:14 (seven years ago)
“feel smug as you go back to brunch.“
Why don’t you just call him a “wine mom”?
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:14 (seven years ago)
the failing bernie/aoc narrative is so weird about a primary where dsa member rashida tlaib won and will become a member of congress
― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:16 (seven years ago)
I think the right has more liberty to be incrementalist in a lot of areas. From birth, messaging to Americans is all about conservative bullshit like suspicion of non-white folks and our "exceptionalism," et al. Unless you have the coolest parents in the world, you have to get more unconservative as you grow as person. Perhaps not every place, but in the US for sure. So far right messaging is easily absorbed where left of center ideas require digestion.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:16 (seven years ago)
You'd think the opposite would be true, but here we are.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:17 (seven years ago)
the problem w/ incrementalism in the current era is we are roasting to death
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:17 (seven years ago)
― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Thursday, August 9, 2018 12:16 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Right. Also as has been pointed out Gretchen Whitmer is not exactly a centrist.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:28 (seven years ago)
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, August 9, 2018 1:14 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
can you explain the purpose of this post?
― k3vin k., Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:30 (seven years ago)
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, August 9, 2018 5:14 PM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ding ding
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:31 (seven years ago)
"hating brunch is anti-queer and anti-woman"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:33 (seven years ago)
class is gendered now
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:36 (seven years ago)
a revolution without brunch is not a revolution worth having
― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:40 (seven years ago)
i guess tlaib is replacing john conyers who was also a dsa guy, but it's not nothing!
Oh yes let’s pretend it’s a class thing, sure.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:41 (seven years ago)
Whet’s funny/cringey about the “brunch meme” is it somehow transitioned from a ill-conceived way of expressing a maybe valid critique of political engagement into “no it’s literally about brunch itself now”
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:43 (seven years ago)
wtf are you talking about
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:45 (seven years ago)
Also very cool to blame restaraunt goers and not owners in addition to the meme’s initial subtext of “it’s good that Trump won because people are more politically engaged so maybeit’s not that bad that we didn’t do enough to stop it”
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:46 (seven years ago)
eggs benetrump
― Pirate's booty call (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:48 (seven years ago)
on the subject of brunch, gender and class
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/05/09/398832815/taking-mom-out-for-brunch-it-s-kind-of-a-feminist-tradition
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 9 August 2018 18:00 (seven years ago)
(the article is much better than the url implies)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 9 August 2018 18:01 (seven years ago)
ok, by "brunch" I was trying to signify professional class people who wish we had a centrist in office so we wouldn't have to be bothered by politics and they could go back to enjoying their lifestyle. Those same people are eager to put the new "socialist insurgency" to bed for the same reasons, hence all the articles in WaPo and The Hill and Politico and those types of publications, which I don't think are disproportionately written by women, but if it's no longer acceptable to use "brunch" as a signifier of anything because it is perceived as an attack on women (and apparently moms and also "restaurant goers") I'm fine with using something else.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 9 August 2018 18:05 (seven years ago)
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, August 9, 2018 5:43 PM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
incredibly productive of you to critique a thing no one here is doing
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 9 August 2018 18:05 (seven years ago)
I don't think brunch is gendered.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 9 August 2018 18:13 (seven years ago)
eggs genderdict
― Pirate's booty call (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 9 August 2018 18:17 (seven years ago)
That article posted about brunch was good; I didn't know. I thought the pejorative about brunch these days is a stand-in for white woman feminism which is basically what Fedora is summarizing above.
― Yerac, Thursday, 9 August 2018 18:32 (seven years ago)
won't somebody think of the brunch itself
― mortal kombats fill your eyes (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 9 August 2018 19:00 (seven years ago)
The fact that people are feeling inclined to engage in brunch discourse with you is astounding. It’s one of the most obnoxious and privileged food-related traditions imo— Skogsrå 🌹 (@kelleym_arie) July 5, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 9 August 2018 19:05 (seven years ago)
when is brunch?
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 August 2018 19:09 (seven years ago)
Yeah, when I was coming up we went directly from the breakfast table to the salt mines 25/8/367, no time for brunch ever.
You had a breakfast table? La dee dah! We just ate cold grubs off the dirt floor of the hovel.
You had grubs? Luxury!
etc.
― Pirate's booty call (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 9 August 2018 19:09 (seven years ago)
I don't know why it's so hard for people to grasp that this is a giant country with multifarious local conditions, and you can have a DSA-backed candidate lose a primary in Michigan while at the same time a long-time Dem incumbent DA in St. Louis gets knocked off in a primary challenge from the left and in a week Wisconsin will choose a gov nominee from a pool of candidates who do not at all cleave neatly into "Team Left" and "Team Centrist".
Or maybe it's not that people find that hard to grasp, but rather that if you are writing for Politico and your livelihood depends on people linking your piece in a tweet, your tweet kinda has to be "Who won the day: Team Centrist or Team Left" and it can't be "A lot of different stuff happened in different places." But it kind of sucks that that's the way people's Politico pieces have to read.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 9 August 2018 19:16 (seven years ago)
Jesus brunch is fucking drinking for breakfast its like seinfeld sweatpants saying ‘i give up i have to live in this turgid crowded mess with you guys i might as well feel comfy by getting sloshed and bloated before lunchtime.’Smilemoji
― Hunt3r, Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:12 (seven years ago)
Am i projecting too much thsts how i do brunch what
― Hunt3r, Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:13 (seven years ago)
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― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, August 9, 2018 7:05 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it remains incredibly productive of you to critique a thing no one here is doing
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:13 (seven years ago)
It's OK to brunch as long as you order the Alexandria Ocasio-Corteggs
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:19 (seven years ago)
Mimosacialism
― Pirate's booty call (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:26 (seven years ago)
Eggs Corbynedict
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:47 (seven years ago)
The prolatteriat’s casus bellini was to take over the means of probruncheon
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:53 (seven years ago)
Bloody Maoria
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 9 August 2018 20:55 (seven years ago)
Miss, can I get another Bernietini over here? Thanks.
― Pirate's booty call (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 9 August 2018 21:26 (seven years ago)