that thing white ppl do when they disparage 'white ppl'

where was there any inference that it did ffs

sorry your post immediately following mine and mimicking the phrasing of my post didn't have anything to do with the content of my post, how could I possibly have misunderstood

youre being obtuse

one can be amused at the gush and the gusher and not have an issue with the gushé

also fwiw the reader infers, the writer implies

maybe you know this, hard to tell

and im asking whither yr inference, which was a reach and a half.

“Booming post”! It’s an amazing post considering how often Fred tries to enter conversations about American race relations and politics w no concept of what he’s talking about ie when he was accusing Bruce Springsteen of reactionary apologism bc he appealed to working class people

But I’m glad I’m here so darragh has someone to pretend to be smugly superior to while his argument is taken apart piece by piece by someone he refused to engage with

xp i speak good english though

nice jibe in a thread where you consistently belittle amongst other things my nations conversion to that language by an oppressor state over the past three hundred years

fancy making a famine swipe while yer at it

guys after you've finished logistically beating each other down can you please wipe the surfaces with disinfectant as a courtesy to others

xp lol who would that be?

afaict tsorobodo, if that be yr nominated sense-maker, is an order better than the restvof those arguing against a non-racial primary personal identity as even an option, but only tangentially discussing this. not much, as ive said, to engage with there.

and given that freds post about you was wholly accurate, id look twice before throwing 'smug' around tbph?

xp you *moved* to england idk what to do with you tbh!

no rancour tho guys its a good thread and i think weve all learned something

All my posts are booming compared to Bruce Springsteen

unfortunately, i wouldn't classify saying "what he said" or "otm" to tsrobodo, or to any other variant of post vaguely agreeing with a point of view you already held, seemingly without any arguments to justify it, as "engaging with" those posts.

credit to tsrobodo for actually entering into discussion itt - i seem to remember his post being ignored when it was pointed out that he was the only one attempting to do so and when it seemed the 'you either get it or you don't' fingers in the ears brigade might be a sufficient majority to end the discussion.

Fred tries to enter conversations about American race relations and politics w no concept of what he’s talking about

as opposed to...

Well for one thing, d-40, you don't seem to know a single thing about the subject at hand. Confusing Rwanda and Sudan, seemingly not knowing about the Ottoman empire colonizing large swaths of Europe, continuing to think Ireland benefited from colonialism that killed millions. You just look at the fact that Europe is richer than Africa, and because you know nothing about the specific history behind those differences you use it as a 'gotcha' to say that actually it's only white/black racism that matters, and anytime someone from Europe tries to talk about the many many events and details that influenced the current situation you begin dismissing it as myopic and provincial.

To sum up, half the time you're writing: It is tough to have a conversation w people abt a serious subject when they haven’t done the knowledge yeah and the other half the time complaining that we don't consider the importance of Andre 3000s choice of shirt.

― Frederik B, Wednesday, August 8, 2018 5:05 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The idea I don’t know anything about the subject at hand is hysterical — confusing Rwanda & Sudan is an obviously embarrassing brain fart mistake ... yet the point that ethnic and racial difference are not interchangeable stands, despite continued efforts on this thread to act as if any slipperiness between the two means the distinction between the two in these conversations isn’t worth mentioning

IM completely aware of the Ottoman Empire colonizing parts of Europe it just bears zero relevance on my arguments here! If a Turkish man killed a white man once it doesn’t mean a white man killing a Turkish man can’t be a product of white suoremacist thinking any more than when it’s done on an international scale. It’s a stupid fake deep counterpoint

Reducing a fairly profound argument about global racism to a joke because it was made on an entertainers shirt is dumb as hell.

All my posts are booming compared to Bruce Springsteen

ok I lol'd

xp you would like to point out that you have been profound itt!

ah the point on the shirt was profound

agreed, jagger rescinded

nice jibe in a thread where you consistently belittle amongst other things my nations conversion to that language by an oppressor state over the past three hundred years

fancy making a famine swipe while yer at it

― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Wednesday, August 8, 2018 10:48 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

IVE LITERALLY NEVER DONE THIS IN THIS THREAD! You guys act like I’m somehow belittling or insulting your fucking proud eurotrash history simply bc i don’t think you can compare internecine ethnic conflict w outright racism ... that I’m taking away your feelings of being oppressed bc I refuse to define it as “racism.” My heritage is Irish lmfao

You guys act like I’m somehow belittling or insulting your fucking proud eurotrash history

IM completely aware of the Ottoman Empire colonizing parts of Europe it just bears zero relevance on my arguments here!

For fuck's sake.

You guys act like I’m somehow belittling or insulting your fucking proud eurotrash history

You guys act like I’m somehow belittling or insulting your fucking proud eurotrash history

You guys act like I’m somehow belittling or insulting your fucking proud eurotrash history

Quote a single example of me “belittling” your nation’s conversion to English you dumb fuck

glad we cleared that up!

My heritage is Irish lmfao

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, August 8, 2018 10:57 AM (forty-six seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My heritage is Irish lmfao

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, August 8, 2018 10:57 AM (forty-six seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My heritage is Irish lmfao

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, August 8, 2018 10:57 AM (forty-six seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You guys act like I’m somehow belittling or insulting your fucking proud eurotrash history

You guys act like I’m somehow belittling or insulting your fucking proud eurotrash history

You guys act like I’m somehow belittling or insulting your fucking proud eurotrash history

― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), 8. august 2018 17:58 (sixteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Amazing

you specifically described irish people's experience in england in a way that was so ridiculous that two separate posters commented to that effect and count me as the third.

even if it wasn't wrong or inaccurate, it seems a strange thing to say with confidence when you're literally discussing this with an irish person who lives in england.

y heritage is Irish lmfao

"the irish were slaves too!"

Truly, truly.

xp

your heritage aint mine if it were you might know that Anglo-Irish relations arent a proxy for amrican racism n'est pas

but btw it was wrong and inaccurate xpost

For fuck's sake.

― pomenitul, Wednesday, August 8, 2018 10:58 AM (forty-five seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

At WHAT POINT in this thread did I ever say that only white people can colonize or only white people can invade? You guys are projecting like crazy

The existence of violence against white people or colonization of white people does not make the entire global structure of white supremacist racism into a lie this is just willful obtuseness

I apologize for not being articulate or as patient as tsrobodo, I would hope my position (which mirrors D-40 and tsrobodo, I think) has been stated fairly clearly - that racial hierarchy based on the darkness of skin color (primarily, but among other racially identified physical characteristics) is the primary underlying model for racial dynamics and identity, globally, and that this predates the African slave trade and is much more pervasive and not particularly unique to America.

many xps

your heritage aint mine if it were you might know that Anglo-Irish relations arent a proxy for amrican racism n'est pas

― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Wednesday, August 8, 2018 11:00 AM (forty-nine seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I never said they were a proxy for *american* racism swift

Turks are white, by the way.

well this went off the rails fairly quickly\

I never said they were a proxy for *american* racism swift

no see Deems is arguing that any time it's about black/white that's AMERICAN racism

glad you're on the "patient" side of it though.

just came by to say dmac is all time obvs

this anger isn't really serving anyone except the arguments that had already been picked off itt.

this anger isn't really serving anyone except the arguments that had already been picked off itt.

― FernandoHierro, Wednesday, August 8, 2018 11:04 AM (eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You haven’t had a correct point the entire thread

your heritage aint mine if it were you might know that Anglo-Irish relations arent a proxy for amrican racism n'est pas

― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Wednesday, August 8, 2018 11:00 AM (forty-nine seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I never said they were a proxy for *american* racism swift

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 16:02 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sincere apologies

you seem a qualified candidate to speak for all racism everywhere and i bow to you on the matter

x-post: You wouldn't know a correct point if Bruce Springsteen was shouting it in your face

we are now down to 'you are wrong' are we? nothing more?

maybe calm down and the rest of us can at least have some comic material like the shit about england you were posting last night.

Turks are white, by the way.

― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Wednesday, August 8, 2018 11:02 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

All Turks are white ? Idk how Turks are “racially constructed” by fred but I was making an assumption fred was because bringing up the Ottoman Empire in this context bc I couldn’t for the life of me figure out how the ottoman empire’s existence would bear any relevance or undermine any arguments made about a global white supremacy

really? i thought you were good on that kind of thing

I apologize for not being articulate or as patient as tsrobodo, I would hope my position (which mirrors D-40 and tsrobodo, I think) has been stated fairly clearly - that racial hierarchy based on the darkness of skin color (primarily, but among other racially identified physical characteristics) is the primary underlying model for racial dynamics and identity, globally, and that this predates the African slave trade and is much more pervasive and not particularly unique to America.

many xps

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 16:01 (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fwiw sorry if the uh spirited nature of the discourse has gone beyond standard jostling towards ya

white said fred

I'm not one for namecalling generally.

you guys go ahead tho

you seem a qualified candidate to speak for all racism everywhere and i bow to you on the matter

― dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Wednesday, August 8, 2018 11:06 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I’ve never claimed to do this you snide provincial moron

agreed. this thread was quite civil for a long time.

xpost

provincial
prəˈvɪnʃ(ə)l/Submit
adjective
1.
of or concerning a province of a country or empire.

shit sorry everyone

white said fred