What can Kamala Harris do to secure your vote? I can try and relay the message to her office tomorrow.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 04:48 (five years ago) link
A good start would be dropping ideas like unemployed people don't deserve a roof over their head.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 04:52 (five years ago) link
as for me:
* stop acting like such a former attorney general
* medicare for all
* explicitly state that the only person trump should nominate to the SCOTUS is Merrick Garland
* rephrase that tweet and make it about a living wage
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 04:55 (five years ago) link
i keep stumbling across retweets from this person whose twitter handle is "kamala harris is a cop" and it is so fucking annoying
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 06:21 (five years ago) link
tbf I think the best thing about Kamala Harris trying to make a run for the nomination is going to be all the things she learns along the way. I think she has potential.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 06:25 (five years ago) link
(as in, no chance in 2020, but maybe after, with some adjustments)
(also, all the white dudes should be asking these women how they can be of assistance)
(and Booker should be taking notes in case he passes muster to be veep)
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 06:28 (five years ago) link
the real 2020 presidential candidate was the friends we made along the way
― This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 07:56 (five years ago) link
Cory Booker was on On Being this week positioning himself as "the Love candidate" which is right out of the old 1930s musical Of Thee I Sing.
(what he really loves is hedge funds)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 11:33 (five years ago) link
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen that lady unironically retweet Devin Nunes.
“i keep stumbling across retweets from this person whose twitter handle is "kamala harris is a cop" and it is so fucking annoying”― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, July 30, 2018 11:21 PM
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:27 (five years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, July 31, 2018 2:25 AM (yesterday
barf
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 1 August 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link
I've seen a lot of people, including james surowiecki, make the point that the rent relief act will in effect encourage rents to keep rising and end up putting more money in the pockets of landlords/developers. many of them have been conservatives and libertarians so I'd like to see a good analysis of it before I reflexively agree, though it does seem to make sense
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 1 August 2018 19:26 (five years ago) link
sorry for making you barf
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 19:33 (five years ago) link
you're a smart enough guy to understand that that's a completely useless statement you could pretty much make about any politician. I am trying to keep an open mind about all of our candidates too, but my response to missteps by these people, particularly when they're in line with what already worries us about them, generally isn't "man, I'm sure excited about all the learning she potentially can do!"
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 1 August 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link
it's really not too much to ask for a united states senator, particularly a democratic one with an eye on winning the democratic nomination, to have done her research or have a basic understanding of messaging
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 1 August 2018 19:44 (five years ago) link
fair point I guess I was trying to be nice to California
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 19:57 (five years ago) link
i wonder if Dem senators ever look across the aisle, sigh longingly, and wonder what it must be like to be able to be a smarmy dogshit-for-brains asshole and still easily win elections.
― evol j, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 19:58 (five years ago) link
lol @ ilx being concerned that if we normalize people having jobs the overton window will be pulled too far to the right
― No organ. (crüt), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:03 (five years ago) link
You realize that work requirements for Medicaid & food stamps is a big goal for the GOP, right?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:11 (five years ago) link
yes, that is bullshit and also 100% clearly not what kamala harris is talking about
― No organ. (crüt), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:18 (five years ago) link
I'm trying to think of what the right-wing equivalent of lefty-purist-handwringing is and am coming up short
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:19 (five years ago) link
(granted this is because they've abandoned any and all pretense of adhering to anything resembling a principle)
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:20 (five years ago) link
https://huffingtonpost.ca/entry/kirsten-gillibrand-al-franken-2020_us_5b58994ae4b0b15aba945e79#click=https://t.co/cGOJvdXyDK
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:30 (five years ago) link
link not working for me, care to summarize?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:33 (five years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, August 1, 2018 4:19 PM (eleven minutes ago)
just be honest and say you don't care. these are actual policy issues and tailoring messaging by playing into the hands of GOP legislative priorities, as moodles pointed out, is bad politics!
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:34 (five years ago) link
I really try to remind myself that Twitter is not an accurate microcosm of America, but jesus there sure are a lot of motherfuckers on there who DESPISE Gillibrand solely for the Franken fallout. It's deeply deeply depressing.
― evol j, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link
cleaned up link https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kirsten-gillibrand-al-franken-2020_us_5b58994ae4b0b15aba945e79 xxp
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link
Thx Brad, posting on mobile is hell for links
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link
She's not talking specifically about that, but her message helps legitimize the notion that only a subset of people deserve basic things like shelter. It's not exactly leaps and bounds away.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link
like Chris Hayes just tweeted about, and so you're already talking about a group of people who have self-selected as being interested in following Chris Hayes, so you'd think their misogyny wouldn't be QUITE so near-universal.
― evol j, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:36 (five years ago) link
I understand that any democrat will always be preferable to any republican, which is why I will vote for democrats until I die or until the parties change again. but pooh-poohing good-faith criticism of democratic leaders seems to be not the best play, to me
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:36 (five years ago) link
sorry xpost, i'm talking about the Gillibrand stuff still
I would think by this point, after years of rehashing the same shit, it's p obvious I don't care about Morbz's troll-bait nonsense
xp
thx Simon
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:38 (five years ago) link
good-faith criticism of democratic leaders
this is not what Morbz does and you know it
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:39 (five years ago) link
I understand that any democrat will always be preferable to any republican
in fact, can we start a countdown clock for Morbz to come in and give you shit for this
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:40 (five years ago) link
well, unlike some of you apparently, my opinions and meta-opinions about democratic politics are not filtered through my opinion of morbs. it's honestly sad how none of you can just ignore him or keep his name out of your mouth when commenting on other shit. but this is the same shit we went through in the 2016 primary, so whatever
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:43 (five years ago) link
it's honestly sad how none of you can just ignore him or keep his name out of your mouth when commenting on other shit.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
― brimstead, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:45 (five years ago) link
here's how I feel about Harris' tweet (which Morbz posted, for the record): 1) in general, a program addressing renter's financial burdens strike me as a good thing, 2) a jobs requirement for such a hypothetical program seems unnecessary, but whatever, baby steps, 3) the details of any such program would inevitably change during the legislative process so best not to get hung up on it anyway, BUT 4) the whole reason for posting things like this isn't to actually get bills passed but to stake out ideological territory, in which case the jobs thing seems like an unnecessary self-inflicted wound (the right's not gonna be on board for anything like this, nor give her credit for a jobs requirement, so why bother) BUT 5) this is one tweet that will be forgotten within a week, I'm not gonna lend it too much time or thought, it isn't worth it.
the end
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:48 (five years ago) link
addendum: using such a minor thing as a weapon to (further) tar one of the only women of color in a significant position of power in this country as being insufficiently leftist *really* irritates me, she'll never be good enough for some people (mysogynists, racists, idiots like Morbz etc.)
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:50 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cNsmt2YZXA
for u, Shakes
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:52 (five years ago) link
ok lol
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:52 (five years ago) link
what does this even have to do with morbs? the issue at hand is whether dems should run on the WJC-esque cooptation of right-wing "deservingness" of social services. there's a real, serious, substantive difference between a paradigm that says everyone should have access to these things, and one that says only some people deserve access to them. harris's statement was years past its sell-by date and it is not unreasonable to expect a dem to at least remember that huge swaths of the population have no chance of getting a "full-time job." if you're running for office in 2018, an awareness of that reality should be informing your platform and your public statements. it reads like a freudian slip.
― This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:54 (five years ago) link
a Freudian slip seems accurate to me
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:57 (five years ago) link
thinking of it as "whatever, baby steps" and being okay with proposals that only benefit people who are comparatively well off already, is how we end up with clintonian "middle class" obsession and never actually doing anything about structural poverty.anyway it's bad politics in 2018. "medicare for all" fires people up because of the "all." if it was "medicare for people with full time jobs who meet the qualifications listed on form D-6..." nobody would give a shit.
― This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 20:59 (five years ago) link
otm
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 1 August 2018 21:00 (five years ago) link
haha yeah I don't disagree
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 21:01 (five years ago) link
Yup. And Gillibrand seems to be the one who gets this the most.
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 21:01 (five years ago) link
I didn't have a full time job for 6 of the last 17 weeks; i should be grateful i had shelter (and cancer medicine)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 21:01 (five years ago) link
"The Love Candidate" just voted in favor of the $717bn military spending budget
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 2 August 2018 01:35 (five years ago) link
Isnt that the movie that stopped mike myers?
― Hunt3r, Thursday, 2 August 2018 01:54 (five years ago) link
the Strangelove candidate
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 August 2018 02:21 (five years ago) link