Your 2020 Presidential Candidate Speculation Thread

i only take political advice from twitter parody accounts impersonating dead traitors

Most of the presidents considered 'boring' by Americans have dropped bombs on or invaded other countries. Or instigated coups de etat. Even hapless Gerald Ford presided over the last gasps of the US Vietnam debacle. Whichever country Jimmy Carter bombed escapes me at the moment, but I am certain one exists.

Well there was the failed Iran hostage rescue

When Carter sent arms to the Afghan mujahedeen against the USSR invasion, he undoubtedly sent military personnel, too. But on the whole, history's greatest monster probably was the least bellicose President since Hoover. No wonder he left office reviled and mocked by the conservatives.

yeah if Biden won next time liberals could go back to sleep for 4 years, as Dennis Perrin says

lookit rushomancy pullin' out "traitor" retrospectively! damn, libs be on the firing range now.

(spare me the Vietnam lesson, chump, i was alive)

What, does Perrin slip you a ten spot every time you invoke his name or something? Maybe he'll do you a solid and say something worth repeating one day.

(luv u, boo)

“Carter was the least violent of American presidents but he did things which I think would certainly fall under Nuremberg provisions,” said Noam Chomsky.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/18/jimmy-carters-blood-drenched-legacy/

you can measure every true leftist by how fast they rush to point out that jimmy carter was Just As Bad As Every Other President (see, they've got this noam chomsky interview where he says so!)

and you can measure stooges by their handwaving of imperial support for slaughter

(I know you didn't read the article, J.D., as it's not a Chomsky interview and because you're you, but it also lists a Bunch of Good Things That Jimmy Carter Did)

dude could totally rock a cardigan I hear

lookit rushomancy pullin' out "traitor" retrospectively! damn, libs be on the firing range now.

(spare me the Vietnam lesson, chump, i was alive)

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius)

it wasn't known at the time, but his backchannel machinations aimed at sabotaging lbj's peace talks with north vietnam in '68 qualify as that in my book.

i've read the article before, i'm pointing out that citing chomsky as if he's some grand old historian of american history (instead of an important linguist whose offhand cranky opinions about politics invariably inform his historical pronouncements, such as the idea that the cuban missile crisis was all our fault, the cold war was all our fault, the war in the pacific was all our fault -- gee, notice a pattern here?) is a bad idea.

funny to see online leftists get so upset about the word "traitor." are we still allowed to call robert e lee a traitor? maybe not on counterpunch, where half the articles seem to come from right-wing libertarians.

previous articles by matt peppe, expert on the carter administration:

Media Promote Baseless Assertions By Government Officials Of Russian Interference As Facts

The New York Times’s Biased Obituary of Fidel Castro

Media More Outraged by Possible Murder by Putin Than Definite Murder by Obama

what are his errors about Carter's presidency? don't answer.

Carter's not running in 2020, is he?

He could! His politics are better now than when he was president.

how bout we try just not having a president? that could be cool.

we're fairly close right now

is Rosalynn too old to run

nice "if" there

Every American deserves to have a roof over their head and keep the lights on if they work a full-time job. pic.twitter.com/GHhD7PsXqh

— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) July 29, 2018

really keepin yr eyes on the prize eh

I mean, Morbs is right here, in that that precondition is bullshit. But in the meantime, there's plenty of ppl inveighing against even that milquetoast proposition all over the country, i.e. business interests pushing against $15 minimum wages. (Which, in Seattle, still qualifies you for income-restricted housing, if you can find a unit.)

this kind of bullshit is totally counterproductive and we all know it

the opposition is absolutely gleeful at our predilection for making the perfect the enemy of the good - let's indulge them one more time, maybe it'll work out at last!

I'm not saying don't vote for Kamala Harris, I'm saying still also promote the idea that maybe everyone deserves a safe, autonomous, healthy life no matter how much they care to work.

watching the video I don't feel like the point was "if they work a full time job" so much as "every american deserves a roof over their head and to keep the lights on"

last two posts otm

LGM has a response: http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/07/tone-deaf-potential-democratic-presidential-candidates

Yeah, I don't think there's any disputing that Gillibrand is the least horrible candidate with any likelihood of getting the nomination (right now, anyway)

I'd be happy to vote for her

dunno if she'd drive african american turnout like Kamala would but that's electoral politics for ya

I like them both, would vote for either of them

I'm totally on board with people voting for Harris, but that's a horrible message, and does the GOPs job for them of moving the goalposts ever rightward.

A rare morbs otm

Whether it's Harris or Gillibrand or someone else, it's always better to have a sympathetic ear in the Oval Office than a punitive, vindictive manifestation of right wing radio. Any realistic Dem contender in 2020 is pushable to the left, and some are already demonstrating that two years out.

It’s the sort of thing that only someone who is triangulating would say.

this kind of bullshit is totally counterproductive and we all know it

― Οὖτις, Monday, July 30, 2018 5:28 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the opposition is absolutely gleeful at our predilection for making the perfect the enemy of the good - let's indulge them one more time, maybe it'll work out at last!

― Οὖτις, Monday, July 30, 2018 5:29 PM (two hours ago)

come on man, it was a bad tweet and pushback is healthy. this is how these people learn

the video overall was solid, though a politician of harris's stature should understand the importance of slogans and messaging. agree with most of that loomis post

our predilection for making the perfect the enemy of the good

congrats, never heard that assphrase before

not voting for Kamala Harris

You live in NY so wgaf

I would really love to see a two-woman ticket, almost just for the dickhead meltdowns. Gillibrand has to be one of the two and I’d rather have Warren over Harris.

absolutely true JF, but i could always move to Philly

What can Kamala Harris do to secure your vote? I can try and relay the message to her office tomorrow.

A good start would be dropping ideas like unemployed people don't deserve a roof over their head.

as for me:

* stop acting like such a former attorney general

* medicare for all

* explicitly state that the only person trump should nominate to the SCOTUS is Merrick Garland

* rephrase that tweet and make it about a living wage

i keep stumbling across retweets from this person whose twitter handle is "kamala harris is a cop" and it is so fucking annoying

tbf I think the best thing about Kamala Harris trying to make a run for the nomination is going to be all the things she learns along the way. I think she has potential.