Democratic (Party) Direction

No, everyone hates Hillary. Everyone knows everyone hates Hillary.

tbf you can be most liked and also most hated, just ask FDR, Nixon, probably Reagan, Taylor Swift, etc.

oh man taylor swift's presidency was the fucking worst

think stacey abrams has any chance against garbage-person kemp in the georgia governor race?

― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Wednesday, July 25, 2018 12:01 AM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think it's going to be tough but she absolutely can win. Georgia has the second-highest proportion of African-Americans in the country, one of the biggest cities in the country, and a very liberal college town. Hillary actually outperformed Obama in Georgia, so it's trending in the right direction.

yeah the guy who “invented email” (lol) is running against warren as an independent and he’s gotten pretty nasty and trumpy. i don’t think it’ll work - people here seem to correctly think that he’s an insane crank with no ideas - but who knows

Dr Casino correct

story out today that the Grifter "most fears" running vs Biden in '20. DO NOT TAKE THIS BAIT, DEMS.

genuine q: morbs, who should the dems be running in 2020? bernie?

I dont like it but hard to see joe not running

luv2choose between two septuagenerian gropers, good luck usa

Exactly

I dont like it but hard to see joe not running

You don't think his single-digit successes in his first two runs will dissuade him? I do.

bg, i don't know. No geezers, esp assholes like Biden. Turn the fucking page.

For real despair, look at how Sen. Rodham Clinton is pandering to libs and righties on alternate days. "Congress run like a plantation," "I'd bomb Iran," etc.

Please God, take Hilary quietly so she won't fuck up the party with a presidential campaign. WORST POSSIBLE CANDIDATE EVER.

― elmo, patron saint of nausea (allocryptic), Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:54 PM (twelve years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The Berniebros must have a time machine to be planting this seed all the way back in 2006.

Dude

morbs otm

Biden's only appeal is that he seems like a guy who might stand up well against Trump on a debate stage. But tbqh Hillary stood up against him better than most of the GOP guys who he demolished in the primary, and that wasn't enough.

Biden’s only appeal is that he symbolizes a return to the Obama era. Retreating to the past can be a winning move for conservatives, not so much for he democratic primary of 2020

biden's only appeal is that people confuse the actual him with the onion version of him

Biden's only appeal is teeth.

I still have no favorite candidate for 2020. I'm not keen on Bernie running again either. But that's why you have a primary rather than anointing someone in advance.

gazzara and man alive both otm. i was just saying that to the missus last night, that the only good thing about Biden being the nominee would be that I think he's the only one who would be willing to absolutely clown Trump. and while it's nowhere near the top of the list in terms of priorities for ending our current nightmare, I have to admit part of me really wants to see that happen.

in seriousness, I just have a bad feeling that a lot of other potential candidates are going to try and engage Trump in good faith, and maybe that will still work out anyway and they'll still win, but it could also backfire, plus I'm just really fucking sick of seeing it. I so desperately want someone to get up on a debate stage with him, listen to his gibberish and then just say "How the fuck do I even respond to that idiocy? This motherfucker doesn't know what he's talking about."

Booker would look like a giant idiot against Trump.

Agreed

not sure he needs trump's help for that tbf

depending on his opponent though, I could certainly see Trump just refusing to do any debates. (and I know I'm placing outsized importance on them).

Maybe someone should finally call trump on his idea to “do IQ tests”, on live tv

what's marilyn vos savant up to

bg, i don't know. No geezers, esp assholes like Biden. Turn the fucking page.

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, July 25, 2018 10:29 AM (fifty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

yeah the party that is currently finding its new icon in AOC is definitely gonna go for an extremely old white dude

thread really fucking delivers, guys

so who are they gonna go for? aoc is indeed extremely good but the dem benches are not exactly packed deep with committed socialists whose hands are clean of the dem's past mistakes, and even if the midterms see more of their number join the party they're gonna have to move pretty fast to make it to 2020 candidacy

It’s Gillibrand’s if she wants it and she’s made it pretty clear she does.

How about we wait to see what happens, as it's about 17 months to the first caucus and we have NO idea where this country is going to be then (including the possibility that Klaatu's race will exterminate us for stupidity)?

enh where's the fun in that

NYT has a long profile of Gillibrand today and, hmmmmmmm, I don't know

there's a pretty wide range between "a committed socialist wins the nomination" and "Joe Biden" fwiw

also, hurry the fuck up klaatu

There was a poll of New Hampshire where the top 3 was Warren, Biden, Sanders. Warren pretty handily in front.

yeah, regular ppl aren't even thinking about the midterms yet for Chrissake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwSxBiS0rHY

Bernie Sanders introduces bill to end money bail https://t.co/xYGLWi0EmB by @aidachavez

— Luke Savage (@LukewSavage) July 25, 2018

How the @Ocasio2018 cohort of leftists, including @KanielaIng, are transforming our understanding of the left. pic.twitter.com/B2mxvQBKhk

— corey robin (@CoreyRobin) July 25, 2018

what i love about this is that it follows closely on bernie's apparently recent first encounter with the fact of the cash bail system, which itself led to a lotta yelling about how it was wild he'd never heard of it and proof he's just another privileged old white man--his team learns and moves forward.

xp

the common thread robin's pulling out here is that these people were organizers before they were politicians: learning to be ever better at weaving your personal biography into your work for your hobbyhorse issues is a core practice of organizing work. in a class i took marshall ganz (UFW organizer & legendary movement scholar who Obama himself surely studied) broke down obama's 2004 dnc speech schematically, how he narratively moved from his personal story to the story of american progressive forces to the story of the country as a whole and wove them into a single powerful thing.

yeah everything I've seen from Ing suggests he is a whiz at that

really appreciating your perspective here HOOS.

HOOSpective

ditto

this is the video CR references, presumably

A Hawaii for the many is possible, but we have to take it, together.

On August 11, this movement can make history, but I need your help.

Please Retweet this video, Donate, and sign up to knock on doors, send texts + https://t.co/dELbZgUFNP#Ing2018 pic.twitter.com/aGXwSj4m5f

— Kaniela Ing (@KanielaIng) July 25, 2018

for any interested folks here are a couple (prolly hueg sorry) graphics i made coming out of that ganz course that speak to that movement between narrative structures:

https://i.imgur.com/EGH1Ecc.png

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15027629_10102943919643485_6109731694427890042_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=5e454c297835bfe754d310f4d82c994b&oe=5BD501A2

I know one of the other candidates for that district. Beth Fukumoto who was the one that switched parties from Republican to Dem last year after her party left her hanging after she spoke out against Trump.

AOC and Ing's videos had the same filmmakers. I could be wrong since I have lived in very few places in the US (oddly enough, most recently AOC's district and Oahu) and it seems like this type of narrative is easier in these locations which have a more vibrant identity, still retains a sense of community. Like, when I think of places out in 'coal miner' america, I think of families sitting in their homes miles apart or separated by privacy fences from their nearest neighbor. Privacy, and minding your own business, completely rules over community. I could be wrong.