Democratic (Party) Direction

yeah but voters are stupid and don't care about policy!

also none of the stench of 'superpredators', voting for the iraq war and bill clinton. we can go on forever tho. =|

xp

i do think the obviously gendered and unfair "schoolmarm" aspect would have been a problem, but i also agree that her signature thing of going after "the banks" and visibly sticking up for regular people would have played well, and maybe helped her hold on to those states which went for obama in 2012 but trump in 2016. impossible to know of course. in practical terms, clinton's minuses with the left were probably canceled out by really massive enthusiasm on the part of those who did like her and wanted desperately to see her win. but maybe a candidate who didn't need to do that canceling-out would have had that many more organizers and volunteers ready to go door-to-door....

the other trick of these counterfactuals is that we're reaching back knowing that trump was the GOP nominee, and that clinton lost, neither of which was obvious to people considering a run back in 2014 and 2015. back then it was more or less assumed clinton would be the dem nominee and that the GOP would put up someone like rubio, and that would have informed the pros and cons of the sacrifices, headaches, and potential setbacks of mounting a failed run.

Warren is a marvelous Senate candidate.

Do you not want her to run in 2020?

next counterfactual scenario I read on a politics thread is getting FPed

Do you not want her to run in 2020?

is her Senate seat safe?

I mean one of the reasons I'm cool with Harris running is that the chances of the GOP taking one of CA's Senate seats are basically zero, and she's not the ranking member on any committees, etc.

I'd vote for John W. Davis in 2020.

lol

Davis, as a defender of racial segregation and state control of education, uncharacteristically displayed his emotions in arguing that South Carolina had shown good faith in attempting to eliminate any inequality between black and white schools and should be allowed to continue to do so without judicial intervention. He expected to win, most likely through a divided Supreme Court, even after the matter was re-argued after the death of Chief Justice Fred M. Vinson. After the Supreme Court unanimously ruled against his client's position, he returned the $25,000 (equivalent to $200,000 in 2017),[25] that he had received from South Carolina, although he was not required to do so, but kept a silver tea service that had been presented to him.[26]

I mean one of the reasons I'm cool with Harris running is that the chances of the GOP taking one of CA's Senate seats are basically zero, and she's not the ranking member on any committees, etc.

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, July 24, 2018 10:59 PM (thirty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

curious how the state democratic party's lack of endorsement for feinstein affects the current race.. gonna assume incumbency is a hell of a drug and wins out against the current narrative of leftists gone wild and taking over the party. happy to be wrong..

is her Senate seat safe?

Massachusetts is about as safely blue as it gets, right?

Well there’s the specter of President Scott Brown

Massachusetts is about as safely blue as it gets, right?

Ask Martha Coakley.

Ah

I think either Warren or Sanders would’ve won because I suspect they would have been far more open to Obama’s proven tactical playbook, both by inclination and by default, meaning their campaigns would’ve prioritized face to face voter engagement in a way Clinton’s didn’t, which likely would’ve overcome Trump’s slim margins in the Midwest/ Great Lakes States.

come at me silby I can take it

Warren't voice does not straight up sound like Mom from Futurama, for one thing. Also, I haven't been seeing anti-Warren bumper stickers non-stop since literally 1992.

basically:

Cruz would have won this thing easily, just as would have literally any republican but trump. Even if he wins, we were lucky to have him be the candidate. I think Clinton is smart and qualified etc, but it was insane to nominate the most hated person in America

― Dan I., Monday, September 26, 2016 7:32 PM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I hate this thread

James Comey probably wouldn't have taken a steaming shit on anyone else's chances.

The fucking narcissism-of-small-differences self-punching bullshit everyone engages in while we imagine we’re actually one-upping those other inferior progressives who don’t get it like we do - trenchant pro tip, we have met the enemy and he is us! Fuck all.

Maybe we should put our money, our words, our time and and votes towards Democratic candidates

Losing keeps you pure.

i'm just not inspired to do any better

Losing keeps you pure.

― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, July 24, 2018 9j

The GOP learned this between 1932 and 1968. It helped!

Roe vs Wade might be gone in the next 12 months and liberals are still discussing who should have won the 2016 primary.

Thesis statement for your blog post.

It might be called 'snark on the internet, infinitely more valuable than winning elections'.

Roe v Wade isn't going to be overturned, and none of the other court precedents protecting women's rights to an abortion are going to be overturned either. They certainly won't be by Kavanaugh.

I think I hate this thread too.

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— AP Politics (@AP_Politics) July 25, 2018

Curt Schilling is/was running against Warren for her senate seat. Massachusetts is likely blue, though not definitely. Gov. Charlie Baker (R) is super popular and both western parts of the state and exurbs are deepening in redness.

She's a better candidate than Ossoff was, but we'll see xp

Sorry, Curt Schilling is apparently not running against Warren. Fran Drescher’s ex is. (xp to self)

Roe v Wade isn't going to be overturned, and none of the other court precedents protecting women's rights to an abortion are going to be overturned either. They certainly won't be by Kavanaugh.

― No organ. (crüt), Tuesday, July 24, 2018 8:13 PM (forty-one minutes ago)

I don't know how you're so sure about this. At the very least they're going to be chipping away at it

Fair points all but does Baker's popularity mean much in terms of the prospects for national-level Republicans in MA? Iirc,he has openly opposed Trump on immigration policy and the Paris agreement and is pro-choice. xp

think stacey abrams has any chance against garbage-person kemp in the georgia governor race?

nope

I think Clinton is smart and qualified etc, but it was insane to nominate the most hated person in America

"Americans once again are most likely to name Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton as the man and woman living anywhere in the world they admire most, as they have for the past 10 years."

https://news.gallup.com/poll/224672/barack-obama-hillary-clinton-retain-admired-titles.aspx

On a steady decline from 2013, granted, when she was the most popular politician in the US (and it wasn't even close).

No, everyone hates Hillary. Everyone knows everyone hates Hillary.

tbf you can be most liked and also most hated, just ask FDR, Nixon, probably Reagan, Taylor Swift, etc.

oh man taylor swift's presidency was the fucking worst

think stacey abrams has any chance against garbage-person kemp in the georgia governor race?

― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Wednesday, July 25, 2018 12:01 AM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think it's going to be tough but she absolutely can win. Georgia has the second-highest proportion of African-Americans in the country, one of the biggest cities in the country, and a very liberal college town. Hillary actually outperformed Obama in Georgia, so it's trending in the right direction.

yeah the guy who “invented email” (lol) is running against warren as an independent and he’s gotten pretty nasty and trumpy. i don’t think it’ll work - people here seem to correctly think that he’s an insane crank with no ideas - but who knows

Dr Casino correct

story out today that the Grifter "most fears" running vs Biden in '20. DO NOT TAKE THIS BAIT, DEMS.

genuine q: morbs, who should the dems be running in 2020? bernie?

I dont like it but hard to see joe not running

luv2choose between two septuagenerian gropers, good luck usa

Exactly