9/11: Forbidden Thoughts

i was thinking that very thing the other day!

Sry dude it’s forbidden

fuck, we better turn ourselves in asap i guess

I am almost positive I was already lurking here at the time. Weirdly my most distinct board-related memory is Ned starting the "bless the Onion" thread. It was one of my first days of high school.

fucking up the Middle Eastern countries the administration wanted to fuck up anyway is kinda taking it in stride

I didn't find ILX till the fall of 2002. also during my first days of high school.

I wasn't on ILX until 2005. In 2001 I was hanging out on the now-defunct Salon Table Talk forums. For a while one could still read the real-time WTC stuff there. I did, once or twice, and the memory is vivid.

Of course I was also in a 3D world sitting in Arlington, Va. a mile and a half from the Pentagon. Parallel with the online flurry of revelations, real people kept coming into my office and giving breathless mostly-true updates. The amazing thing for me in retrospect was the slide from "wha? wtf? that was a strange accident" to "ok not an accident" to "omg this is a horrible human tragedy" to "o wait maybe these three other things are related."

Seems like that progression unfolded over several hours, with waves of information, whereas with a "Kennedy was shot" it was one thing to react to and all else was details about that thing.

I remember a woman crying next to me saying, "things just keeps happening, is it over or are there more things?" So it had a different trajectory from a single-point disaster like the Challenger or whatever.

I wasn't here that early.

Re forbidden thoughts: I just finished an otherwise very good book (which I won't name because to do so would be spoilery) and discovered that the author decided 9/11 was the perfect way to end the story and provide her protagonist with spiritual catharsis. Damn near ruined the thing for me. I had thought we were past that, especially in an otherwise hilarious novel that's all about solipsism, voluntary withdrawal from society 'cause people are annoying idiots, etc., etc.

On MYORAR

"things just keeps happening, is it over or are there more things?"

A couple of hours would go by and all of a sudden, the networks would have footage from a different angle to show 1000 times.

When they started showing the one from street level, where the second tower gets hit and a guy on the sidewalk casually glances up at it, one of the salesguys walked by and went, "WAIT! DID ANOTHER ONE JUST HIT?"

i was in community college at the time and i actually ended up going to school anyways for some reason. there were very few people there and the prof dismissed class.

pretty sure i was on ILX at the time. i was convinced it was WWIII. spent most of the day just comparing it to Pearl Harbor over and over. we didn't do that but what we did was just as shitty. Trump is basically the physical manifestation of how the US treated the world after that.

Your thoughtless erasure of Obama’s two terms is noted for the record.

oh im totally including all of his drones and artlessness spying and torturing in all of that

warantless

pretty amazing tho how i erased Obama's two terms by talking about an event that took place before them. so sly of me.

Lol I forgot I was talking to a mastermind

The imdb plot summary of that Remember Me movie is so sly.

A romantic drama set in New York City during the summer of 2001, where Tyler, a rebellious young man, meets Ally through a twist of fate. Her spirit helps him heal after a family tragedy, though soon the circumstances that brought them together threaten to tear them apart. Written by Anonymous

Love those romantic dramas set in New York City during the summer of 2001.

I was in high school. I excused myself to use the bathroom and walked past a bunch of teachers staring at a TV with their hands over their mouths. I remember hearing "how are they gonna get out of there?" When I returned to class I kinda froze at the front and said "uhhh guys, I think a bomb went off in New York"

xp I actually watched that whole movie. If I remember correctly, they tried to be a little sneaky in opening the film in 1991, and then flashing forward "ten years later." But I'm pretty sure it was obvious that it was coming. I love that chalkboard shot: "SEPTEMBER 11, 2001! DO U SEE NOW??"

if you wanna talk about a rollercoaster of a day, check out this dude:

My brother was at a bowling alley in western mass and he sent me this iconic photo of a dude who bowled a perfect game on 9/11 🙌🙌🙌 pic.twitter.com/6srCon1KMa

— jake bender (@JakeSBender) June 29, 2018

ugh

I’m glad there haven’t been that many movies or books or TV shows about 9/11 or use it for dramatic effect / suspense. Obviously there are lots, but not as many as I expected in the immediate aftermath.

Something that’s going to be really tough to deal with in the coming years (and the rest of my life) is how it will become trivialized and no longer taboo, as someone said upthread years ago. That awful “jet fuel steel beams” thing is only the beginning. Inevitable but really shitty nonetheless.

xp

lol @ bill moro's perfect game

Other 9/11 related plot twist movie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Stop_%28film%29?wprov=sfla1

xxpost: yeah, one of the weirder and sadder things about getting older is realizing that traumatic events you've lived through have become kind of a joke. i remember my entire high school observing a moment of silence after columbine and having a long discussion in class about it, and now there are kids who weren't even born then who post dylan klebold memes on tumblr.

Yeah. I’m sure I’ve said this before itt but it really hit me a few years ago when I saw a picture of a water slide shaped like the capsizing Titanic at a state fair or something. Jet fuel/steel beams and “Bush did 9/11” I really fucking hate, but I have to admit I find photoshopped images of the Twin Towers with bloodshot eyes getting ridiculously stoned extremely funny. Or the photo of Lower Manhattan after the collapse, just being devoured by dust and debris, and the caption “NEW YORK LEGALIZES MARIJUANA.”

Many of us did things like that to cope, i think

Last 17 years would’ve gone much better if we as a nation had just taken 9/11 in stride

― devops mom (silby), Tuesday, July 24, 2018 1:19 PM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've ranted about this before but the cruelest irony (if thats the right word) is the US had just elected an unqualified moron CEO president but it was not that big of a deal to some folks because it was the end of history.

"oh you're lying, it will just be the news on tv all fucking night now" was a response I heard to 9/11 in a Dewsbury video tape rental shop back then. he would have done a better job than Blair.

I love that chalkboard shot: "SEPTEMBER 11, 2001! DO U SEE NOW??"

"Now kids, let's settle down. I know everyone's excited because the president's down the hall..."

Many of us did things like that to cope, i think

― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, July 24, 2018 5:05 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes, for sure. but we're passing into an era of young adults who have no memory of 9/11 or weren't even born yet. so it's just another joke, and besides Columbine, i can't think of another tragedy that has as much documentation and media to be used for, well, memes and bullshit. it's gonna suck but so it goes

yeah, one of the weirder and sadder things about getting older is realizing that traumatic events you've lived through have become kind of a joke

They wheeled a TV into my eighth grade classroom so we could watch the Challenger launch. That was a Tuesday, and on Wednesday we were making "Need Another Seven Astronauts" jokes in the cafeteria.

For posterity, the greatest of all 9/11 memes. RIP Dime.

https://cdn.bandmix.ca/bandmix_ca/media/79/79028/256434-l.jpg

the hulk hogan ones are my favorite

yeah, one of the weirder and sadder things about getting older is realizing that traumatic events you've lived through have become kind of a joke. i remember my entire high school observing a moment of silence after columbine and having a long discussion in class about it, and now there are kids who weren't even born then who post dylan klebold memes on tumblr.

well in this case Columbine isn't really a "traumatic event" in the sense it was at the time. back then I remember a lot of people just being in shock at the idea that someone would even think to shoot up a school. the thought had never crossed our minds. and now, welp

yes, for sure. but we're passing into an era of young adults who have no memory of 9/11 or weren't even born yet. so it's just another joke, and besides Columbine, i can't think of another tragedy that has as much documentation and media to be used for, well, memes and bullshit. it's gonna suck but so it goes

― flappy bird, Tuesday, July 24, 2018 5:45 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, and I don't really disagree with u here

the hulk hogan ones are my favorite

I have a very New York-centric friend with whom I've had a long jousting match about how New York-centric she is. "The true New Yorker's secret sense that people living anyplace else had to be, in some sense, kidding."

On that Very Bad Day, her husband saw things happening at the Pentagon and in Pennsylvania and said - I quote - "there goes everybody else, trying to horn in."

that is amazing

now THAT is a good fuckin 9/11 forbidden thought

Yes, it took me a long time to be able to darkly laugh about that but I do now.

after the initial event the thing i most remember is seeing fear mongering and paranoia all over the media. the local news would tell you IF YOU SEE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING and to stock up on duct tape.

we were soon introduced to color coded terror grading system and the TSA, which made traveling in/out of the USA suck 100X worse for all time. of course the people that trained and harbor the individuals behind these attacks were well financed, those countries continued to receive money from our representatives, even though they were harboring and funding the very shit we were fighting. you want to talk treason.

to add insult to injury this was soon after George W and Florida Russia'd our election in slow motion with hanging chads. i remember reading shit about corrupt private voting booth operators 10+ years ago. it has been practically demonstrated in realtime over months that the US voting system is a joke for well over a decade.

but nobody cares cos the democrats, and of course that is something you should never do, criticize the democrats. the sad thing is they were wrapped up in this too. the media as well, selling us lies, leaking stuff, peddling this wonk loving horse race, people thinking they are participating in history by watching their leaders fuck fuck them over on live tv. 10 years on, after seeing crooked people get away w shit as a matter of business, no wonder there is so much apathy.

Mueller is supposed to be the hero going to save people and he was involved in the Iraq War bullshit in the first place. it is hilarious people think he is on their side.

i guess turning it into a joke has been a way to compartmentalize. what else are you going to do if the person who is going to be president had her handy dirty w that shit? you have to pretend it's a weird, abstract thing, not a real event. you have to conceptualize it like it's another object in your ideological chess game. it is imaginary playing pretend bullshit. people remember and care deeply about this and it influences the way the world is. you don't think the news telling people to watch out for terrorists, they could be anywhere, for 10 years, has a hand in making people xenophobic? wake the fuck up

the NY Times was caught spreading the WMD lies, no wonder people don't trust the media. Trump is profiting off this, he didn't invent it.

otm

Do you just save up these monologues for a rainy day or

god i just remembered when the troll Giuliani was on SNL in a cross dressing sketch and there was a patriotic moment with some NYPD cops he still making mad money off this almost going on 17 years now

Do you just save up these monologues for a rainy day or

i don't like talking w people that are negative and don't want to talk about the subject at hand but would rather engage in some pathetic duel of wits. hence i don't participate much in threads bc i will see the name of someone and think, they will not even offer their opinion on the subject, they will merely insult me, why even bother. why even try to explain myself when you are not explaining yourself. i do not need to justify posting on this board to you. hence me not participating in most discussions. the reason i am posting is to post my reflections on 9/11 and the ensuing years. it is a reasonable thing to post an opinion on a message board about a topic. why do you post? what do you get out of zinging me for my posting frequency or lack thereof? honestly don't worry about writing back cos i will probably not read this. it does not matter what you think, because you are already hostile, questioning my right to post, or my reason for posting. why don't you just offer your opinion of the topic at hand?