I like Who a lot more now that I have let go of being A Fan of Doctor Who. Looking very much forward to new season with Whittaker, I dug Broadchurch lots
― com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 13:17 (five years ago) link
i lied in my last post, the stupid thing is suggesting that the only way to be a True Fan is to be an uncritical fan. i've seen "the twin dilemma", i can't fucking do that and i don't understand anybody who can. also this board is the last place on earth i'd expect uncritical fandom of _anything_ to hold sway.
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 13:29 (five years ago) link
"But Broadchurch was real fucken bad so I'm less excited than usual."
the first and third series are great. I agree the second one was fucken bad.
― akm, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 14:32 (five years ago) link
All I saw was the first. It may have been fine for the most part but the incredibly stupid, completely out of left field 'let's say........Moe' reveal at the end blanketed everything that came before with a shower of bullshit.
― Gregory Horsemelt (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 14:37 (five years ago) link
well then I don't recommend watching series 2. or maybe I do! because it's garbage.
3 was pretty good though
― akm, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 15:14 (five years ago) link
the only way to be a True Fan is to be an uncritical fan
yeah that sounds exactly like something I would say
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 15:23 (five years ago) link
the mystery was irrelevant, it's all about the music and long shots of the seaside town and knitted brows
― com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 15:35 (five years ago) link
yeah I mean the mystery is terrible. it's all about that and also all about "how many more ways can Miller and Hardy screw this up?"
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 15:54 (five years ago) link
and the weather balloons
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 15:57 (five years ago) link
Tombot notwithstanding, I doubt you'd find anyone here who would approach any show this way.
― Abercromb Metrion Finchos (Leee), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:34 (five years ago) link
I just don’t understand bemoaning seasons of a show that haven’t even aired yet. I guess sic’s reasoning makes some sense in that he’s hated all of chibnall’s writing on the show to date.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:47 (five years ago) link
i have a certain amount of trepidation about the guy who wrote the best episodes of the show i like being replaced by the guy who wrote the worst episodes of the show i like
i'm not prejudging, but i'm hedging my bets a little
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:52 (five years ago) link
Agreed. Or, I wouldn't say Chibnall's episodes aren't the worst of the series, if you compare them the to actively gringe-worthy stuff, like the alien TV announcer in the 1950s, or the Moon giving birth, or the magical tree fairies saving Earth from solar flares, they're just perfectly mediocre. Watchable, but there's no new ideas, nothing other DW writers hadn't episodes hadn't done better. So what I'm fearing his showrunner arcs will be like that too.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:37 (five years ago) link
the guy who hired a woman to play the Doctor is definitely unlikely to bring any new ideas to the table, it's a fact
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:40 (five years ago) link
I guess sic’s reasoning makes some sense in that he’s hated all of chibnall’s writing on the show to date
iirc nobody else in this thread or any other Who thread has given any other reason for taking a cautious attitude? I'm going to watch and be delighted if it's good, which seems a better way to enjoy than to go in expecting it's going to be great
Anyway, it's definitely wild to have spent the last seven years being shouted at by 70% of Doctor Who thread posters for enjoying Doctor Who, or for plainly explaining things that happened onscreen that people weren't looking at (without indicating my own enjoyment or disappointment), and now be charged with being part of a nebulous pack of anti-fun Dr Who grouches
― kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:43 (five years ago) link
― El Tomboto
i was just reading some old doctor who news clippings and jnt was talking about casting a woman as the doctor in 1981
i don't think he was seriously considering it, but in that light it's hard to call casting a woman to play the doctor a "new idea"
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:44 (five years ago) link
Actually doing so rather than hinting it to goose ratings is anew idea.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:52 (five years ago) link
xpost: the brand new idea that the producer of Doctor Who repeatedly teased in the press from 1981 to 1987, and that the original creator of Doctor Who formally advised the BBC to do in 1985 when the show was moribund, and that was done by four fully-produced shot-on-film American fan films from 1984 to 1988, and was done on BBC television by Steven Moffat in 1997, and has been repeatedly set up in dialogue from 2010 to 2014, then shown as possible onscreen in 2014 and 2015 (and had been implicitly established as possible and not unusual onscreen on 23/10/1976)
All credit to Chibnall for doing it and I expect her to be a delight! but it's really not an example of him bringing a new idea his first new idea to Doctor Who ever
― kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:59 (five years ago) link
i don't think he was seriously considering it
it was Tom who actually said to a press conference that he thought it could be time for a woman, JNT ran with it for years but obviously never considered it
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFJaHbYWAAAw1Rt.jpg
― kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:03 (five years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFJaCXNXgAA2y9G.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFJZ-DwW0AI4z_Y.jpg
― kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:04 (five years ago) link
"I've spoken to various people, some them ladies"
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:08 (five years ago) link
I don't recall ever yelling at you for enjoying Dr Who but there's probably some episode I hated that you liked along the way somewhere.
I'm excited for new Who, you guys are all "well we'll see I guess grumble grumble" because of vague Chibnall beefs - I just don't see why the orthodoxy of grumble needs to reign supreme. Me, DJP and f. hazel OTM, the rest of y'all can carry on I suppose.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:12 (five years ago) link
I don't think it's a radical or unreasonable position to take a cautious approach if you don't like the incoming showrunner's previous work! And that this position can be independent of the new Doctor herself.
That said, "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship" and "The Power of Three" are fantastic! The rest of his Who eps are forgettable though.
― Abercromb Metrion Finchos (Leee), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:20 (five years ago) link
most who eps are forgettable except that one with the completely horrifying creatures
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:33 (five years ago) link
damn, ratings absolutely tanked last season! chibnall hasn't written a who episode since 2012? that's more time than bob holmes took off between "kroll" and "androzani". strange.
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:34 (five years ago) link
I guess I just don't watch television for the ideas
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:34 (five years ago) link
wild to have spent the last seven years being
I mean
in this time period I have also
- read 36 NAs and 13 MAs and one QR- bought nine volumes of TARDIS Eruditorum- repeatedly paid up to $30 just in postage to get issues of Nothing At The End Of The Lane and Vworp Vworp sent to Australia- bought issues and specials of DWM in three countries- bought 11 volumes of the Panini strip collections, plus a bootleg of the first McGann one when it was out of print for a few years- (also sold off my old copies of the Marvel colourised reprints)- selected and programmed classic series repeats for the country's largest broadcaster- paid to see Dr Who in the cinema on ten different occasions, in five cities, on two different continents and one island- been the only telly person who got in free from BBCWW to the one-off cinema screening of the fancied-up Day Of The Daleks who stayed to watch the whole thing- stood behind Waris Hussein and his boyfriend to watch an am-dram staging of An Unearthly Child in the basement of a Manchester pub- repeatedly eaten lunch on other people's office floors to watch episodes before TX- listened to over a hundred hours of Verity!, a podcast about women enjoying Dr Who whether it's good or not- bought and read the autobiography of Barry Letts- bought and read the biography of Robert Holmes- bought and read and loved the biography of JNT- bought and read both Cartmel's production memoir and his out-of-print, bad, history-of-Who book- bought the first three print collections of Wife In Space, and read the blog entries for nearly every serial I've watched and several that I haven't- talked to Paul Cornell, eating dirty chicken in the street outside a dance party he couldn't be bothered to queue for after the first screening of Day Of The Doctor, about Day Of The Doctor- listened to hundreds of hours of Big Finish and Nest Cottage audios (most of them not good; some of the good ones 2 or three times)- rented or borrowed DVDs for 55 of the 139 intact classic stories-- watched nearly all of these in groups I've organised or with one friend-- frequently rewatched by myself with commentaries and/or production notes on-- generally watched whatever else of the documentaries and revisiteds and behind-the-sceneses I could get to before returning the discs-- streamed half a dozen of the other 84 stories-- watched a handful of orphan episodes--- including the first ever, unannounced, public screening of Air Lock after it was recovered-- watched three or four recons-- read the Targets for 3 of the missing stories and two of the existing ones- listened to the Lalla Ward / John Leeson audiobook of Gareth Roberts' novelisation of Shada- watched an hour of I4n fucking L3vine's animation of Shada
this morning in bed I read the second issue of Ben Aaronovitch and Cartmel's Seventh Doctor Titan miniseries, and I have typed all my posts today in front of the Twitch stream of Trial Of A Time Lord*
last night my Seattle housemate got back from staying on the London floor of someone I met in Leeds five years ago by walking up to them and asking if they posted in the comments section of a Doctor Who blog but sure, I'm bad at finding enjoyment in Dr Who ...because I think some of it is better than other bits?
― kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:41 (five years ago) link
I haven't done any of those things, but just wanted to say that so far Chibnall has done a brilliant job in upsetting Ian Levine, and that will do for me.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:44 (five years ago) link
* within the first few minutes, The Doctor is shouting at ppl that he can't even be brought to trial for malfeasance or unbecoming behaviour, bcz he's the President. hope Tombot was watching too.
― kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:45 (five years ago) link
truly, the most difficult man alive to upset
― kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:46 (five years ago) link
oh but this time he's really upset
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:49 (five years ago) link
somebody on this thread seems pretty upset
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:54 (five years ago) link
<3 sic. But the real revelation here is
read the blog entries for nearly every serial I've watched and several that I haven't
― JimD, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:05 (five years ago) link
Am still proud of the time I alerted sic to a Moffat Q&A series that he'd **never heard of**
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:15 (five years ago) link
Jim - missing episodes!
― kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:44 (five years ago) link
i once ate a sandwich that looked kind of like a varga plant, that's my fan cred sorted
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:53 (five years ago) link
― kelp, clam and carrion (sic)
sadly we're at a point where time lord government is better-run than american government, they were at least able to remove their president for gross dereliction of duty
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:56 (five years ago) link
I am to Marvel what sic is to Who except that sic seems to trump me on most Marvel knowledge despite not even liking Marvel much. Don't know how u do it, man.
― Pizza's the food that's sure to please! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:57 (five years ago) link
Twitch is up to Trial episode ten, and if I'd ever know that space robots play holographic Galaga in this, I'd forgotten. I withdraw everything 0.07% of every bad thing I've said about Pip & Jane
― kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 22:28 (five years ago) link
wait I just noticed Colin's tie and waistcoat combo, reinstate that percentage even though it wasn't their fault
― kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 22:29 (five years ago) link
Have I missed "a megabyte modem!"?
― JimD, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 22:45 (five years ago) link
I think that's in ep 14, when P&J come back to write the conclusion to a 14-part story without knowing what happened in the first eight or in parts of the four that they'd already written
― kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 22:55 (five years ago) link
I was 8 when Trial was on. Peri’s death is FUCKED UP. That and Paradise Towers are as scared as I can remember DW making me feel.
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:13 (five years ago) link
there's something slightly malevolent feeling about that entire era.
― akm, Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:14 (five years ago) link
two different eras there
Paradise Towers starts on Twitch in 10 minutes!
― kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:38 (five years ago) link
Enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEc-OQ_oqDk
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:53 (five years ago) link
I didn't look at Twitch at all until Colin started, and I've now rewatched 7 (or 4) of the eleven worst Dr Who stories ever, in a row, for the first time. It's so hilarious that JN-T only commissioned four scripts ever, and three of them were by the Bakers, all BACK TO BACK.
But in the same way shitty Who is great fun to watch with friends and beer, you can totally see how the chat element of the Twitch run papers over any ups and downs, the #youths watching just taking it all on in the spirit of fun, creating their own injokes and interests.
Case in point: Keff McCulloch's score for Time And The Rani, at 31 years' distance, is not (well, not only) being greeted with horror for its cheap terribleness, but being joyously celebrated as v░a░p░o░u░r░w░a░v░e
the kids are alright
― kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:58 (five years ago) link
looks fine, if typically uninformative.
― akm, Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:58 (five years ago) link
xpost can a mod please zap that trailer ffs
― kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link
There’s definitely something bleak and nasty about the horror episodes of that period, in a way that’s very different to the darkest stories of the Tom Baker era. The shoddiness just makes everything more horrible by default, like the show’s being mounted on the cheap in the middle of an apocalypse. Maybe Androzani through Happiness Patrol?
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 19 July 2018 20:03 (five years ago) link