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Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 14:01 (seven years ago)

I take no issue with the idea that representatives are going to have to reflect their districts to win. I just think there's a lot of conflation of an imagined "center" with the agenda that would actually represent certain purple districts, just this sort of fuzzy thinking that "most people" are "in the middle," with the "middle" being basically an upper middle class moderate/technocratic agenda.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 14:07 (seven years ago)

Like Staten Island is a place where you might not win on "Abolish ICE," but you could probably turn a lot of people out on an extremely pro-labor platform.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 14:08 (seven years ago)

i'd like to use the sock o' manure on Bruni

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 14:10 (seven years ago)

how did a gay man like Bruni get by in life by appealing to moderation?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 14:11 (seven years ago)

from Chapo thread:

In other news, that window keeps a movin'

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2018/07/10/cynthia-nixon-im-a-democratic-socialist-503279

― Simon H., Tuesday, July 10, 2018 10:29 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I eyerolled at this yesterday and Jacobin did an extremely embarassing Lenin tweet about it; you've got your DSA sponsored candidate forum in 8 hours and you're seeking an endorsement and you take that opportunity to tell a reporter you're a democratic socialist for the very first time? Come on.

AND YET as brother Duhalde wisely says here:

I remember when the Hillary Clinton's campaign tweeted a "socialist feminist" case for her.
I was shocked that she, of all people, might be okay with the need to appeal to "socialist voters" or whatever was the rationale behind it. Some people, instead, chose to use it as an opportunity to further remind people she was not a socialist.

Neither of us were asking the important question: what pushed her staff to do it in the first place?

As materialists, we need to remember the important question not if a politician genuinely adopts our beliefs (ultimately, only they know the sincerity) but what social forces push them to and why.
The fact that a major candidate for one of the largest state's governorship wants to identify with the democratic socialist project in itself is victory for @DemSocialists regardless of the outcome.

. . .and then on top of that I was just reminded that Nixon's new-ish policy director is actually a socialist organizer that I've known for a couple of years, and he and I have always aligned really quite well on the strategic uses of elected officials for social movements, and he posted this today:

It’s been quite fun getting to discuss democratic socialism on our campaign these past few weeks. Housing, health care, education, a livable planet, and justice for all. Cynthia is in it to win it.

. . .and I find myself feeling quite a bit less cynical about it.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 14:49 (seven years ago)

I mean there's no question that at least optically it reeks of opportunism (if only due to the timing), but if it means that she's going to have policy planks that meet the DSA threshold for endorsement, great. That said, there's going to be a whole other set of trials to endure if and (inevitably) when leaders fail to match their platforms when they're in office.

Simon H., Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:16 (seven years ago)

But I don't think it's necessarily true that it's a success regardless of the outcome.

Simon H., Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:18 (seven years ago)

Idk dude I consider the opportunistic co-option by cynics of policies I support a kind of success.

devops mom (silby), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:26 (seven years ago)

It’s an iterative process of getting those with power to do the things you want, if you aren’t going to get the reins of power yourself you have to make it inevitable for those who have it to move in your direction, I sort of feel like

devops mom (silby), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:28 (seven years ago)

My concern would be that if people in power get in on a platform you signed off on, then renege on it, that's when the real tests of how effective your mobilizations can be in response, and if it goes badly I think it can be even more demoralizing than a simple defeat

Idk maybe I'm being unduly pessimistic

Simon H., Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:30 (seven years ago)

if people in power get in on a platform you signed off on, then renege on it, that's when the real tests of how effective your mobilizations can be in response

i for sure think that this is right, and that this is part of what makes it imperative to be building a mass social movement with meaningful non-cooperation leverage right alongside the victories (which i count them as!) of getting politicians publicly on board with the agenda. this is a big part of why i put so much of my thought & energy into the mechanics/techniques of good organizing--i think without a real movement that's at least capable of putting the fear of defeat into our allies when necessary, optical victories can go the way of mirages.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:38 (seven years ago)

DSA people say Nixon was courting them before the AOC win. I think everyone should be viewed skeptically, but I also think an injection of socialism isn't going to make politics not be politics anymore. I mean that's the point of organizing to begin with -- you create something that can't be ignored, that has to be catered to and have at least some of its demands met. Politics will never flow from pure goodness. AOC talks all the time about how much her campaign was about building trust with organizations and then being accountable to them. She willingly places herself in that position and I think that's the ideal, but many politicians will do it only of necessity, because it takes a special kind of person to be an AOC.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 16:14 (seven years ago)

Be loyal to the party! Well, except...

A @DemSocialists-backed candidate beat a self-funder in Montgomery County, so a centrist Dem is running as an independent, potentially spoiling the race for her party. https://t.co/EwTB6tNfi8

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) July 11, 2018

Simon H., Thursday, 12 July 2018 13:50 (seven years ago)

initiate censure motions on mitch mcmachievelli for disrespecting the constitution. impeach all trump judicial appointees. hanks / strzok 2020. let the healing begin

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 12 July 2018 14:19 (seven years ago)

now looks like Crowley is doing the same, running Ind vs. AOC

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:18 (seven years ago)

that's some fucking bullshit

supreme court justice samuel lance-ito (voodoo chili), Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:21 (seven years ago)

opinions differ in the politics thread xp

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:21 (seven years ago)

he's not

Alexandria, the race is over and Democrats need to come together. I’ve made my support for you clear and the fact that I’m not running. We’ve scheduled phone calls and your team has not followed through. I’d like to connect but I’m not willing to air grievances on Twitter. https://t.co/hxEeWEpI2O

— Joe Crowley (@JoeCrowleyNY) July 12, 2018

k3vin k., Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:21 (seven years ago)

ah. maybe a good thing to agree upon is that a candidate needs not air every grievance over the twitter machine

supreme court justice samuel lance-ito (voodoo chili), Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:22 (seven years ago)

his claim

Lots questions about WFP line. Was honored to have their support. I’m not running. For record you can only be removed from the ballot if 1) you move out of NY; 2) die; 3) be convicted of a crime; 4) accept a nomination for another office (in a place I don’t live).

— Joe Crowley (@JoeCrowleyNY) July 12, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:23 (seven years ago)

think we should just let this one go

k3vin k., Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:25 (seven years ago)

yeah that seems like something you'd wanna straighten out prior to going full blast on twitter

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:40 (seven years ago)

one needs to make allowances for rookie errors, if that's what this is

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:42 (seven years ago)

(or at least, expect them)

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:42 (seven years ago)

I assume she's pissed about the missed calls more than anything?

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:56 (seven years ago)

not sure why she (or anyone else) would take that at face value - according to the WFP people they reached out to find a way to remove Crowley from that ballot line and he refused

louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:27 (seven years ago)

lofgren / streep 2020

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:39 (seven years ago)

from Gothamist:

UPDATE: The Working Families Party is now calling on Crowley to register to vote in Virginia in order to take himself off the ballot line, but a spokesperson for Crowley says the congressman finds that suggestion "unacceptable," NBC News reports.

"It is disappointing that Crowley has refused to vacate the Working Families Party ballot line," Bill Lipton, state director of the Working Families Party, said in a statement. "The only remaining way for Crowley to do the right thing is to switch his residency to Virginia, where his family resides and his children already go to school. It would fix the problem he created in an instant."

http://gothamist.com/2018/07/12/joe_crowley_ocasio_cortez.php

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 July 2018 18:53 (seven years ago)

cummings / colbert 2020: you have texts; we have guilty pleas

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 12 July 2018 18:58 (seven years ago)

donald j. trump is a russian asset

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 12 July 2018 23:56 (seven years ago)

donald j. trump is a russian asset

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 13 July 2018 01:07 (seven years ago)

This movement was basically started by Sean McElwee on Twitter in the early part of the year. I and others chipped in where we could, highlighting American ethnic cleansing on Twitter and in our writing. And by July, we have 43% of Democrats supporting the abolition of an evil agency of American ethnic cleansing. That’s amazing! Despite the 24-hour news cycle, social movements aren’t built overnight. Tiger Beat on the Potomac has no way to compute this because social movements don’t fit its model. So it seems unpopular. But it’s not. It is just being introduced to voters and a full plurality of Democrats want to eliminate this evil agency. Really, we should be very proud of this and continue to move forward demanding its complete abolition and a totally different immigration system as part of the 2020 Democratic platform. Anyone who wants to win the Democratic nomination needs to embrace this. Kirsten Gillibrand, being better at her job than her competitors, understands this and has gotten ahead of them all.


http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/07/amazing-early-progress-abolishice

El Tomboto, Friday, 13 July 2018 12:38 (seven years ago)

The lying tweet about Crowley running wasn't a 'mistake', it was to raise funds:

So much for “Born to Run.”

If you want to see me in Congress, we need your help now more than ever. We cannot underestimate the power of dark money.

Support us now: https://t.co/piU7pXr9CU

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@Ocasio2018) July 12, 2018

I don't really get why she needs to do that, isn't it an extremely blue seat?

Frederik B, Friday, 13 July 2018 14:45 (seven years ago)

evil lie is part of a former waitresses's dastardly plan to publicly raise money for her grassroots political campaign

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 13 July 2018 14:50 (seven years ago)

fred, you're a weirdo

El Tomboto, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:57 (seven years ago)

handwringing about that is imo like being mad that your plumber is not descending into large green pipes with sound effects to defeat king koopa

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:44 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but how else will we defeat king koopa?????

No organ. (crüt), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:01 (seven years ago)

Fred go volunteer for some re-education camps

devops mom (silby), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:02 (seven years ago)

The lying tweet about Crowley running wasn't a 'mistake', it was to raise funds:

Is the Working Families Party also lying?

louise ck (milo z), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:04 (seven years ago)

dnftDane

With the exception of #6, I found this list of the features that characterize the crop of new Democratic candidates profoundly depressing. Just more of the same. How anyone could see in this crew anything other than (bad) branding escapes me. https://t.co/woCrQfxvTl

— corey robin (@CoreyRobin) July 13, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:40 (seven years ago)

if you actually read the list it's not actually terrible or "more of the same" at all

El Tomboto, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:45 (seven years ago)

Nor is it branding. It’s just like…facts about some people?

Also it is kind of impossible for millennials to represent “more of the same”, the oldest Millennials have only been eligible to run for the house for maybe eight years.

devops mom (silby), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:47 (seven years ago)

Didn't realize Corey Robin was such a big Pelosi fan

the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:47 (seven years ago)

making your choice of leader a primary "plank" is dubious; win first

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:53 (seven years ago)

"Why is being a millennial terrible?"

Unless it's tied to a new politics and set of ideas about economics and the state, it's just a branding exercise.

— corey robin (@CoreyRobin) July 13, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:54 (seven years ago)

but that article doesn't say it's a plank, it just quotes their response to a direct question xp

the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:55 (seven years ago)

wow, people under 40, who lived through the George W. Bush era? just terrible. what a disaster for the DNC.

No organ. (crüt), Friday, 13 July 2018 17:01 (seven years ago)

some of them won't even support Nancy Pelosi! no wonder Morbs is pissed.

No organ. (crüt), Friday, 13 July 2018 17:02 (seven years ago)

this person's tweets make no sense, this blog post is not about campaign strategy or branding it's just "what do these people who happen to be running in GOP-held seats happen to be like"

devops mom (silby), Friday, 13 July 2018 17:03 (seven years ago)

younger Chuck Schumers, that's all ya need

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 July 2018 17:03 (seven years ago)


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