Why are there so few female film directors?

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in maybe her best role?

Reggiano Jackson (gabbneb), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 14:27 (fifteen years ago) link

yes, she is incredible in it. the marketing of the film was atrocious (e.g. paulina porizkova has a brief role but is featured prominently on the vhs box), can't imagine how many dudes rented this thinking oh here's some quality red shoe diary softcore and getting hit w/ a freakazoid feminist screed that features delights such as a teenage cutter who likes to bury her menses in the desert. I dunno, maybe that was the point?

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 14:39 (fifteen years ago) link

speaking of lynchian, his daughter jennifer is back in the director's chair

15 years in the wilderness seems like appropriate penance for boxing helena

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 14:43 (fifteen years ago) link

jennifer lynch's new movie is called hisss and apparently mallika sherawat plays a snake

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/hisstrailer2.jpg

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 14:55 (fifteen years ago) link

o lol i had 2 review her last one, 'surveillance'. it sucks, but probably not as bad as boxing helena. haven't seen it but.

'surveillance' was very early 90s.

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 14:56 (fifteen years ago) link

This is as good a thread as any to ask if anybody's seen Anna Biller's Viva and if so shd I make efforts to go see it or shd I not bother?

If You Lived Here You'd Be SB'd By Now (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 15:14 (fifteen years ago) link

because documentaries are less about the "vision" (i.e. the ego) of the director?

― N1ck (Upt0eleven), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 09:35 (8 hours ago) Permalink

or at least, they should be.

― N1ck (Upt0eleven), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 09:36 (8 hours ago) Permalink

plz stay off rolling documentary, kthx

have the lime of your life, heyyyyyy (Tape Store), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 18:32 (fifteen years ago) link

in the case of this particular industry I wonder what it is about film/directing that makes sexist "old boys' club" networks more enduring than in, say (as already mentioned), music or photography or literature or whatever

I basically agree with everything that's been said above about film being so much more of an organized and hierarchical activity, and I'd add that it's that way in terms of its dissemination as well -- a lot of other art forms have an easier time dealing with niche audiences, whereas with film there are huge, complicated, and very monetarily vexed and marketing-intensive systems of what goes where.

I'm not sure how much I believe this matters, but I'd also add that mass-market films are really, really calcified in terms of genre expectations, so if you happened to believe that there are types of stories or films that women might be more inclined to want to tell or view (which is maybe true in certain ways and untrue in others), the rigid, pre-existing, marketing-based ideas of what films are supposed to be like would be working furiously against that.

And I don't know a ton about the industry, but my sense has always been that women are way underrepresented as screenwriters as well -- I tend to think that films would be way way more interesting (and maybe slightly broader in their rigid/generic ways of functioning) if this weren't the case, with writers and directors both.

nabisco, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Noodle, check here re: the amazing Viva:

Anna Biller's Viva = amaaaaaaaaazing film

Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 18:53 (fifteen years ago) link

my general perception is that there are more women screenwriters than directors but this isn't based on any research

how about female record producers? I'm sure I'm being thick but I can't think of any off hand

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 18:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Linda Perry.

But there aren't many, its true

Wrinkles, I'll See You On the Other Side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 18:57 (fifteen years ago) link

the same reason why there are few females in politics:
majority of men=ego+competition+power : the struggle gets tougher.

Zeno, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 23:19 (fifteen years ago) link

why there are few females in politics

um, what country are we talking about here. cuz globally speaking there are a lot of women in politics.

Wrinkles, I'll See You On the Other Side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 23:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Why are their so few men who are in charge of casting?? HMMMM??

my ghost ixi wants to read more books (Viceroy), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 23:25 (fifteen years ago) link

its kinda weird

ALL NEWD RAG SALSA (jeff), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 23:26 (fifteen years ago) link

in real life, women tend to be not as good at technical things as men. all those nasty cameras, working out angles, changing the film, all that fiddly stuff.

U2 raped goat (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 23:27 (fifteen years ago) link

Why are there so few female technical thingists?

cant go with u too many alfbrees (Abbott), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 23:30 (fifteen years ago) link

oh bless she tried to say something technical, and she's a girl!

U2 raped goat (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 23:32 (fifteen years ago) link

thinging gives you wrinkles

Wrinkles, I'll See You On the Other Side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 23:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Why can not women be technical thingers in this post-Botox enlightenment era?

cant go with u too many alfbrees (Abbott), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 23:35 (fifteen years ago) link

in real life, women tend to be not as good at technical things as men. all those nasty cameras, working out angles, changing the film, all that fiddly stuff.

how do you account for the preponderance of female film editors?

plus unless you're kubrick or working with no budget you have people operating the cameras for you

鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 28 May 2009 19:12 (fifteen years ago) link

joeks

Oym a cripe... Oym a weer-dew... (circa1916), Thursday, 28 May 2009 19:21 (fifteen years ago) link

my general perception is that there are more women screenwriters than directors but this isn't based on any research

There was a big deal made at last year's Oscars, when three of the nominees in the best original screenplay category were women (Tamara Jenkins, Nancy Oliver, and the winner, Diablo Cody).

There have been 27 women nominated for a screenplay Oscar since 1990, though 11 of them collaborated with men. (Two collaborated with each other.) Winners include, besides Cody, Ruth Prawer Jhabvala (Howard's End), Emma Thompson (Sense and Sensibility), Fran Walsh (co-writer of Lord of the Rings: Return of the King), Diana Ossana (co-writer of Brokeback Mountain), Callie Khouri (Thelma and Louise), Jane Campion (The Piano), and Sofia Coppola (Lost in Translation).

Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Thursday, 28 May 2009 19:36 (fifteen years ago) link

oscars.xls

鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 28 May 2009 20:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Damn straight.

Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Thursday, 28 May 2009 20:31 (fifteen years ago) link

how many women nominated for best director since 1990? jane campion and sofia coppola maybe? can't think of any others.

鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 28 May 2009 20:32 (fifteen years ago) link

that's it. and only one before jane campion.

gangsta hug (omar little), Thursday, 28 May 2009 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Linda Richman: Okay. Now, this show is dedicated, as ever, to Barbra Joan Streisand. Yes. We love her. And, of course, the big news - "Prince of Tides". 7 Oscar nominations total, including Best Picture. But Barbra did not get a nomination for Best Director.

Liz: Long story short - I love "Prince of Tides". It was to die for! And to think a poor little mescite from Brooklyn made this masterpiece, and she's not getting any recognition for it.. [ near tears ] I'm sorry, but I get a little choked up!

Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Thursday, 28 May 2009 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

I just remembered Mary Harron (sp?)

sadbigail (Abbott), Thursday, 6 August 2009 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link

I mentioned her upthread. A male film-critic friend of mine noted when I last saw him that his favorite two films of 2009 are directed by women -- Bigelow's The Hurt Locker and Campion's forthcoming Bright Star.

jaymc, Thursday, 6 August 2009 22:31 (fourteen years ago) link

four months pass...

Manohla Dargis gets something off her (undoubtedly magnificent) chest:

http://jezebel.com/5426065/fuck-them-times-critic-on-hollywood-women--why-romantic-comedies-suck

Do you think that a woman would have been able to get forty million dollars to make a puppet movie the way that Wes Anderson has been able to make, bringing to bear all the publicity and advertising budget of Fox? After two movies that didn't make a lot of money? I think this is true for a lot of black filmmakers too – they're held to a higher standard. And an unfair standard. You can be a male filmmaker and if you're perceived as a genius – a boy genius or a fully-formed adult genius – that you are allowed to fail in a way that a woman is not allowed to fail.

queen frostine (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 02:35 (fourteen years ago) link

letting Nora Ephron have it should always be encouraged.

Feingold/Kaptur 2012 (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 02:39 (fourteen years ago) link

that movie cost $40million?!?

akira goldsman (s1ocki), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 03:20 (fourteen years ago) link

there's no thread on the hurt locker!

jed_, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 03:44 (fourteen years ago) link

<3 Manohla

avatar brothers (Tape Store), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 03:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Do you think that a woman would have been able to get forty million dollars to make a puppet movie the way that Wes Anderson has been able to make, bringing to bear all the publicity and advertising budget of Fox? After two movies that didn't make a lot of money? ...they're held to a higher standard. And an unfair standard. You can be a male filmmaker and if you're perceived as a genius – a boy genius or a fully-formed adult genius – that you are allowed to fail in a way that a woman is not allowed to fail.

this

a dimension that can only be accessed through self-immolation (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 03:48 (fourteen years ago) link

tried to find info on female box office records and such, but couldn't really find any. nora ephron probably a good bet i'm sure?

sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 03:49 (fourteen years ago) link

"So does that mean I have to go support Nora Ephron? Fuck no. That's just like, blech."

<3

jed_, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 03:51 (fourteen years ago) link

"Let's acknowledge that the Oscars are bullshit and we hate them. But they are important commercially... I've learned to never underestimate the academy's bad taste. Crash as best picture? What the fuck."

<3

jed_, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 03:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Manohla is a g-d swashbuckler in this article.

queen frostine (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:05 (fourteen years ago) link

One, the people making them have no fucking taste, two, they're morons, three they're insulting panderers who think they're making movies for the great unwashed and that's what they want.

killing it

^_^ (_² ÷_X +_- (Lamp), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:06 (fourteen years ago) link

"People are starved for representations of themselves."

so true

囧 (dyao), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:11 (fourteen years ago) link

One, the people making them have no fucking taste, two, they're morons, three they're insulting panderers who think they're making movies for the great unwashed and that's what they want.

pretty much otm unfortunately

you are wrong I'm bone thugs in harmon (omar little), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:17 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm wondering when the young white male demographic will get a movie of our own

krampus activities (latebloomer), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I can only hope to do it as much justice as Manohla does Ephron's movies.

queen frostine (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Awesome, TS. I was just looking for something like that.

Nuyorican oatmeal (jaymc), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Third place is What Women Want. It should all be so easy.

queen frostine (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:31 (fourteen years ago) link

I would pay to see a movie of Manohla Dargis intelligently cursing up a storm.

Bay-L.A. Bar Talk (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 04:41 (fourteen years ago) link


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