Veronica Mars

I'm not really enjoying Tortured Logan episodes. And having this as a Veronica/Logan two-hander ain't gonna work.

Not enough Wallace.

yeah, it's just mean to have him show up for .2 seconds.

More Wallace, more Weevil, Logan should go on a European trip to find himself.

So what did you think? I loved that we got a lot of Weevil, and I hated Veronica for pinning him as the robber. Mystery of the week was good as well, the most complex one so far this season I think. And hahaha Logan & Veronica as White Stripes!

agree. back to back good episodes have me encouraged that it hasn't been ruined/buried by too many college cliches and Ed Beagley.

This was the most enjoyable episode they've had so far. Though I can't believe Wallace is that stupid, and Veronica's not exactly at her brightest either. But Lamb and Cliff were hilarious. "Hey, good-lookin', we'll be back to pick you up later."

best episode of the season so far. and yeah, Veronica was totally hateful, accusing Weevil.

Cliff!!!

Nother good episode! Except I think I missed something: Claire wasn't raped after all? Why did she say she was?

Piz is still the suck, however.

So the feminists could prove how evil frat boys are!

Since they talked about there being no physical evidence in this ep I'm afraid it's going to turn out that the feminists were the culprits in all of the rapes in some crazyass attempt to get rid of the greek system.

i'm sure, whether they actually were raped or not, the outcome will be MORE SHOCKING THAN ANYONE EVER IMAGINED!!!

This show is dead to me.

yeah, for serious. what the fuck?

I wish I could go back in time and cancel it after its one perfect season.

I'm probably going to keep watching it, because I'm a sucker, but I'm very unimpressed with the girl-makes-up-a-rape storyline.

Has there been a single episode yet this season where all the people in the titles actually appeared?

It's getting different to remember the huge influx of minor characters, and the relationships they all forged with Veronica 5 episodes ago before never being mentioned again until now. The Jewish kid and the lad who bullied him in the second episode got another mention too, so they'll be back to carry on that storyline at least 5 episodes after it was started. They should stick to a few short term story arcs that last 4 or 5 episodes instead of trying to fit so many in at the same time and jumping between them.

o everything was better in the olden days

BAN VERONICA MARS

I think they've decided to have three major mysteries in the season, which is a lot more short-term than before. I imagine that Mac is really important in at least one of them, so they're keeping her out of the episodes where she wouldn't contribute much. I kind of like the way they have things laid out, I just wish the execution wasn't so worrying. I don't hate the new season, at least not yet, but it is making me wonder what the hell the writers are up to, and not in a good way.

It was kind of rocky there at the beginning but I think this season is beginning to gain some momentum. Definitely not as good as the first season but hey, there is always a chance that the Piz will be violently murdered.

Oct 18: i was also hoping for a lot more "Weevil & Mars Invetigates"

Typo or The Office reference?

cousin larry otm, these last two eps have been great

i've seen a few episodes of this show recently... is it anything but ZOMG!WTF! plot twists?

wry commentary, MYSTERY!

some of the jokes have been really bad this season and there are quite a lot of times where keith will just smile and put his head down... that's my biggest gripe.

second biggest is chubby, acned weevil.

OTM

CW extends Mars, One Tree Hill
College detective and teen drama get three more episodes each.

The CW network has extended the lives of two of its shows, college detective Veronica Mars and teen drama One Tree Hill. Both shows have been given orders for three more episodes apiece.

Mars has held steady since its third-season premier in October, matching its series-best ratings and retaining much of its Gilmore Girls lead-in. At the TCA in July, show-runner Rob Thomas said he was "acting like man who had been given a full season order."

Hill has seen ratings growth this season, retaining almost 90 percent of its America's Next Top Model lead-in teen audience. The show beat Fox's The O.C. last week in adults 18 to 49, with a 1.6 rating/4 share and has improved 14 percent in the demo compared to last year.

Both Mars and Hill had been on the bubble when The WB and UPN merged into The CW in the spring. Fans breathed easy when they both made the cut to the new network, but the CW hasn't broken out in the ratings as had hoped, and the shows aren't out of the woods yet.

The CW was expected to reap the rewards of having the combined fans of the highest-rated shows from each of the former networks. Instead, the new net pulls in about the same exact amount of viewers as either of those networks did by themselves.

Three episodes? Since when did networks buy in such small increments?

Speaking of WTF, I never really manage to watch this, but I was mostly just distracted by the giant Just Shoot Me reference involved in having Laura San Giacomo on that last episode. It was just ... weird.

There have been a ton of cameos. I'm waiting for Piven to show up.

this show never used to have so many silly literary/cultural refs

this show used to have a bad theme tune then I began to like it but now it is v rubbish

and the lie abt diff, shorter, more contained, episodic story arcs

apparently there's bad blood between Piven and the show's creator.

that episode was lame.

o things were so much better in the olden days

whatever, nothing even happened!

Mystery of the week was insipid. Logan drama was lame. Vinnie and Lamb were cool, and the thing at the end was pretty creepy, but that's about it.

Chili's on the O.C. and Veronica Mars in the same week?

I guess I'm in the minority in actually liking this episode!

Needs more Mac and Wallace, wtf.

FUCKING.GREAT.EPISODE.

The quippery was fantastic, the MOTW was fun, finally some real Veronica/Logan-puppy chemistry, and PATTY HEARST.

I can't believe nobody's bothered to post about this yet.

Plus, recreating an entire scene from "The Big Lebowski"!

this gets worse and worse

Only if you hate the shout-outs. Which you do, apparently.

they are incessant and bad and also the programme and characters have got bad too as well

I liked this one. I'm the only person in the world who hasn't seen The Big Lebowski, so the shout-out went over my head. But it had fun Keith-Veronica interactions, and Wallace, and a nice twisty a-plot. I'm glad they finally gave the feminists some dimension, even if they're still portrayed weirdly. And Dick was hilarious. I wish they wouldn't do these "one person will DIE" promos, though.

don't know promo

wallace is being severely underused, veronica is different--she is too mean and jumps to too many stupid conclusions

didn't think it was funny, when they were laughing at the male rape (v said, at one point, that it wasn't funny or something but, at many points, joined in on the joking)

also...nothing is happening! meanwhile, this season story arc, that we were told would be played down or less important, trudges on, v slowly and boringly

it's been extended to 20 episodes now.

the pacing this season has been odd (i'm chalking at least part of it up to the unsureness-of-its-future that torpedoed arrested development's third season) but shit, it's still miles and miles better than gilmore girls this season.

I have never seen gilmore girls

New episode tonight? Does anyone still care?

duh