Democratic (Party) Direction

There were problems w messaging I’ve acknowledged but jfc we can agree that the guy going all “Hillary only ever talked about how much she loved the celebrity wine moms” is wrong and that misinformation (willful acceptance of) was let’s say an element of things since he just literally demonstrated (as he does often) that he’s maybe a useful case study of that?

I didn't bring her up! It was Nerdstrom!

honestly i'd rather not have the conversation at all

yes we know couldn't resist bc you have a lot of excess energy since fred stopped posting in this thread man alive

LBJ voted against every single civil rights bill - actually actively blocked them in the Senate - until he saw the political benefits of passing a bill shift, and then he did it. and that broke the dam, and led directly to stuff like the Voting Rights Act.

― Οὖτις, Friday, June 29, 2018 5:44 PM (forty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is a story i've told at countless civil disobedience trainings it rules

yes we know couldn't resist bc you have a lot of excess energy since fred stopped posting in this thread man alive

― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Friday, June 29, 2018 1:29 PM (thirty-four seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

roll tide

honestly i'd rather not have the conversation at all

besides the fact that he's old as shit and has major policy blindspots, the main reason I don't want bernie to run again is it pulls us back to that goddamn conversation again

Let's get drinks everyone -- it's Friday.

For the sake of everyone I should get back to it, huh?

Fred get a job

no fred you should prob stay out of this thread

fred, no

the main reason I don't want bernie to run again is it pulls us back to that goddamn conversation again

otm

I bet he does it anyway why cuz he's kind of a dick

"class" warfare against whites in that Alexandria attack thing

not as big a dick as either Clinton, Shakey

"class" warfare against whites in that Alexandria attack thing

― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, June 29, 2018 1:54 PM (thirty-one seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yup, tells you a lot

white people, we're a class too!

meanwhile AOC saying the phrase "the working class" over and over again on Morning Joe and I'm fist pumping

whatever my grievances about electoral politics being thought of as the primary medium for change I have to confess watching her become a media darling is pretty dope

She's kind of a born star whatever your politics.

fwiw I'm not in DSA but talk to DSA friends a lot about this, and while there is struggle internally over the role of electoral politics, I don't think anyone involved thinks electoral politics is the "primary medium for change."

No, I meant the popular perception *outside* of DSA

LBJ voted against every single civil rights bill ...

Trying to remember how a guy like LBJ got elected in the first place ...

is that a rhetorical question or

to the House? the Senate? the Presidency?

not a lot of women in this thread huh

*goes back to cuddling with cat*

Cat for President, 2020.

I am cuddling wine.

Trying to remember how a guy like LBJ got elected in the first place ...

He ran in Texas. LBJ sheparded a rather weak civil rights bill through the Senate in 1959, before he ran for president. It was part of his strategy to become more palatable to national Democrats. Even as a very weak bill, it was the first one to get past the Senate fillibuster and get signed. Read Master of the Senate for some in-depth history.

They are scared shitless of AOC. She doesn't need gorilla jizz supplements.

Sort of suprised that the DNC spam email I received today used AOC as part of their fundraising pitch (among ten candidates). Obviously her general race doesn't need my money. They probably have some data on me as a bernie voter and focused on leftish candidates.

Ha, my LBJ joke was a bad joke told even more badly.

Hell yeah:

How to shut down ANY leftist argument pic.twitter.com/XbSdkMaPn9

— GOD HOWARD (@deportablediz) May 22, 2018

""democratic"" """"party"""" ("^50)direction("^50) lol amirite

Love to be mad and have a weird conspiracy theory even when the DNC does something I like.

"Newt Gingrich has killed OVER 14,000,000,000 PEOPLE"

lol do you *not* think the DNC does an analytics program to target their fundraising emails cuz um xp

i have crisis-of-conscience-ultimately-not-applied for that very job twice

uh thats uh

crises of confidence there uh buddy *kills self*

Xpost Nah just obviously funny/revealing of the bubble one is in that the reflex is to process the Democratic Party sending out an email talking up a candidate you like in unnecessarily nefarious terms.

VENEZUELA!!!

I am just going shout this every time I get a little annoyed.

Love to be mad and have a weird conspiracy theory even when the DNC does something I like.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, June 29, 2018 3:43 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh JFC do you really not think they target emails? That's a "conspiracy theory"? I'm not even mad about it, but it's ridiculous to cite AOC in a fundraising pitch when her race is not actually going to be the target of DNC/DCCC spending, as there is no reason for it to be. Pappas has like zero dollars raised.

I am so jealous of the initials AOC. She's her own own terroir, her own island.

AOC is AOK

eh

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everyone's moved on already but i was at work. recent lbj talk itt underrates his ideological commitment to civil rights. the model for the enlightened, pragmatic, thoughtful liberal president willing to be pushed left if his reading of his own political fortunes permits is jfk. the quickest way to understand how useful the civil rights movement found jfk in the end is to know that when jackie knelt by his televised coffin, mlk muttered to corretta (and to hoover): "look at her-- sucking him off one last time." think of how much smarter and more reasonable we'd all be than him, how much better than him we'd all understand how politics "actually" "work", if he'd tweeted that.

lbj was a new deal politician and cut his national teeth running agencies for fdr in texas. his feelings on race are hard to untangle; they're no doubt not far off from the average white texan of his generation (or ours)-- but what is not hard to untangle is that he viciously hated poverty, as a dyed new dealer was all-in on belief in government, and believed that southern blacks could not live without the vote. i think his feelings on this were much, much stronger than jfk's warmhearted noblesse-oblige.

it's true that the 1959 senate bill raised his star (at the time already, to be clear, higher than literally anyone's save eisenhower's) and it's also true that it did very little-- in fact it did almost nothing-- but it's wrong to paint it as sheer pragmatism imo. you can argue that breaking through (not waiting for "values to shift" or "mores to change"-- breaking through) the hundred-year wall southern democrats in the senate had built around jim crow is so spectacular a display of legislative muscle that it must have been performatively intended as such. but idk. there are easier ways to look like a big deal in the senate. there are not easier ways to set yourself up for signing a later civil rights bill, as president. i think that's what he was thinking of. in 1959 he was certainly planning for the oval office. after 1960 that went into recession a while because he knew he'd failed and that deliverance could only come from something unspeakable. then it came. as president in 64, precariously unelected, he's no doubt looking for something to endear him to millions, so okay that's what the 64 civil rights bill is. but then he dispells the cloud under which he entered the office by winning the largest presidential electoral victory ever. whatever a guy does after that is probably fairly revealing of what matters to him, if anything's ever gonna be. certainly lbj's foreign policy of the time reveals his incuriosity, provincialism, and fear. i think the voting rights act-- a terrible betrayal of many southern (even northern) colleagues, and friends, and mentors, and donors-- reveals something else.

tl;dr there's a reason movements care what politicians' actual bedrock is. and how did a politician with bedrock like this get into american government, let alone get into the white house? the new deal.

my point was that LBJ would not have passed (and in fact, did NOT pass) anyone's ideological litmus test on civil rights - until he actually became President.

dunno what to make of yr MLK anecdote, which seems impossible to verify and highly unlikely to have occurred but idk