U.S. Supreme Court: Post-Nino Edition

Trump is not “illegitimate”; he won the vote of the electoral college, which is where legitimacy begins and ends.

Mueller pulled the Iraq WMD's out of his ass i'm sure even in a crunch he has something up his sleeve

he won the vote of the electoral college

this is in fact how the country works since 1787

He was legitimately elected through the system we have, but if they discover and/or reveal he was illegally assisted, through bribes and hacking and messing with votes, that does muddy things a lot.

Millions of people cast ballots for him, so his legitimacy is unquestioned. The presence of foreign money and influence is another question.

This is a dumb argument, but his legitimacy *is* being question. The presence of foreign money and influence - and also intent - is a huge piece of this puzzle. Just because a mark is fooled by a con does not let the con off the hook.

otoh his opponent only had a career bcz of her dumb marriage

(sorry i was just trying to get into the spirit)

not to be captain save a hillary but that's like textbook misogyny?

xp

Thank you for your on-topic and totally non-non sequitur contribution to this thread about the Supreme Court, Morbs.

Also most women in higher office politics historically have gotten into politics because of a male family member. No one was big upping women on their own... bitches.

Saw it suggested that the Dems should demand a conclusion to the Mueller investigation before appointing another justice

given that the GOP is champing at the bit for the Mueller investigation to end (see: yesterday's hearing) I really don't think this is a good idea

It's hilarious that they want to rush the investigation because he's not indicting enough people already?

xpost that's the Catch-22 of it though isn't it? What happens if the Mueller investigation concludes in a year, or two years, or after Trump's reelection, and only then do we find out all the horrible stuff behind his 2016 election. What then?

I’ve been wondering if all of this will provide an incentive for Mueller to wrap things up sooner than he wants to. That’s what trump and the GOP (and everyone else - it is truly a national nightmare) want too, of course, but the sooner he brings real charges to the trump family (fingers crossed) the harder it will be for him to nominate a total stooge to the SC

didn't he imply or someone close to him imply that the investigation will conclude in stages, with one of the stages being the summer?

wasn't obstruction of justice the first conclusion expected?

I’m not sure. tbh after the one billionth tweet I saw regarding an incremental development, they’ve all started to blend together into an amorphous blob of possibility

there's also the issue of Mueller-related findings making their way to the supreme court

Solid Ian Millhiser piece about how the badness of Kennedy's writing could weaken his liberal decisions in the future.

It would’ve been nice if Obergeffel had contained some more thorough legal reasoning about the equal protection clause and less goofy posturing

"Goofy posturing" is a terrific description (Nino, ugh, otm).

stfu crut

no offense

research when & why she stopped going by "Rodham" maybe

STOP. TALKING. ABOUT. HILLARY. CLINTON.

anyway there have been no additions to Trump's Big Boy List of SC Nominees since the campaign?

not to be captain save a hillary but that's like textbook misogyny?

― cr.ht (crüt), 29. juni 2018 15:49 (fifty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yup. FP'd him for that.

this is ominous

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/28/politics/supreme-court-double-jeopardy-clause/index.html

it could make it more difficult for a state to try someone who has been pardoned by the federal government if trial proceedings had already begun for the federal offense

gosh I can't imagine what would be appealing about this

if you're Donald Trump and the NY courts are gonna prosecute you, it's quite appealing!

sarcasm is dead ;)

if only ******* was

naw I caught it!

oh I know, just goofin around this morning

this is ominous

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/28/politics/supreme-court-double-jeopardy-clause/index.html

― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, June 29, 2018 9:45 AM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Wait, but if they're hearing it in the fall, isn't there a decent chance it will be a 4-4 court still? How does that work? What if the new justice is confirmed after oral argument but before the opinion is out?

yeah, a lot can happen, that's why I said "ominous" rather than "oh god we're even more fucked"

interpretive jiggery-pokery imo

At this point, I am just operating under the assumption that Trump will skate through prosecution one way or the other, regardless of how airtight Mueller's case winds up being. He's led an absolutely charmed life and I have no expectation of that changing.

Skate through, skate past, whatever.

Oh, and then once he's been definitively cleared of wrongdoing by means underhanded or otherwise, he will just as surely find a way to somehow be eternally butthurt about it.

He'll die one day, relatively soon.

That's really all I got.

some more details about kennedy's son and trump:

When I first read the Times story I wasn’t sure whether the younger Kennedy, whose title was Managing Director and Global Head of Real Estate Capital Markets, would have been someone to actually make loans to someone like Trump as opposed to overseeing more complex or synthetic efforts like mortgage backed securities and such. But it turns out he definitely was. The FT says Kennedy was “one of Mr Trump’s most trusted associates over a 12-year spell at Deutsche.” A review of Kennedy’s bio suggests those twelve years were 1997 through 2009 – key years for Trump.

Kennedy was one of the few bankers to accurately predict the 2007/08 mortgage backed securities meltdown and made an astonishing amount of money for Deutsche Bank by shorting mortgages starting in 2006. As Crain’s New York put in 2010, “in just the first half of 2007, [Kennedy’s group’s] bet generated as much as $540 million in revenue for Deutsche Bank as subprime mortgages fell apart, according to Bloomberg News, and the wager proved even more lucrative as the rot spread.”

Kennedy left Deutsche Bank at the end of 2009, apparently because post-financial crisis regs on over-risky bets by banks were making it difficult for him to operate. He left to found LNR Property LLC with partner Toby Cobb, which would become a big player in the distressed-commercial-property space.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/say-hello-to-your-boy-a-special-guy

justin kennedy, a really special guy

Wait ... another Cobb?

He'll die one day, relatively soon

I used to be sure of this until I learned of Warren Buffet's age and diet.

Saw it suggested that the Dems should demand a conclusion to the Mueller investigation before appointing another justice

They can demand whatever they want until they turn blue in the face and it won't make any difference. McConnell killed the filibuster against SC nominees for Gorsuch and therefore killed all hope of the Democrats exercising some kind of power over the process. Making demands would do nothing but emphasize their impotence.

all demands made will be specifically designed to attract the support of GOP Senators (ie Murkowski and/or Collins, maybe Flake)

That would be more in the nature of suggestions.

Anything they say now should be seen more as paving the way for future action. I mean obviously if there's a way to get a couple gop senators on board for holding off I'd be thrilled but it seems like a longshot. Whatever they say now, demand or suggestion or whatever, is the "dissenting opinion" that can be cited in a future "majority opinion" should they get the chance to write one.

Senate maneuverings aren't binding legal opinions, strategic hypocrisy and expedient abandonment of precedent are the rules of the game.