Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

AA Co police having responded, a living suspect almost certainly means a white dude.

I took one for the team and read Milo’s Instagram post on this. My advice: don’t bother.

Grew up and my pops still lives closer to Bestgate than to downtown, so this is messing me up.

xxp

A law enforcement source tells CBS News the suspect is male, white, in his 20s, no iD.

Two law enforcement sources say the suspect used a shotgun.

4 dead, 5 injured/transported.

— CBS News Radio (@CBSNewsRadio) June 28, 2018

Hannity already blaming Maxine Waters for this

if only megan mcardle had been there to rush the shooter

this is fucked up

Responding to our story @Mediaite about his encouragement of violence against reporters, Milo Yiannopoulos sent me an ominous message: pic.twitter.com/PhRd9Dv39J

— Amy Russo (@amymrusso) June 26, 2018

confidentially I am crazy, and I will fucking kill you

wtf is he trying to become the charlie manson of gamergate spuds?

yo i preferred not knowing what milo thinks

...and I just found out my dad drove right by the building minutes as this was happening.

Fuck Milo. Or better yet ignore him. He thrives on oxygen.

or best yet, deport him

deport him from planet earth

no oxygen in space, iirc

otm

the media paying attention to Milo over this is like throwing gasoline on a fire

Suspect is not cooperating with the police, won't even give his name. Little fucking white warrior shithead.

there's no correct way to behave and they're of course welcome to do whatever helps, but this whole thing about the survivors reporting on their massacred co-workers and 'we've got a paper to put to bed!' and other journalists saluting their dedication is kinda creepy

dunno why but i'm guess that this won't turn out to be ~purely~ motivated by a desire to kill journalists. my gut feeling is dude will turn out to have some personal beef coupled with these recent incitements. "hatred of journalists deep enough to kill them indiscriminately" still seems pretty fringe compared to, like, "hatred of black people/LGBTQ/women/Jews/Muslims/etc"

which doesn't make it any less tragic/horrifying, and, if anything, places more blame on milo/trump/et al

Dude allegedly mutilated his fingers to avoid detection but got sold out by big brother. damn.

BREAKING / NBC News: A 39 year old white male has been positively identified through the use of facial recognition software as the shooter at a newspaper in Annapolis, authorities say.

A court authorized search of the suspect's home is underway. Reported with @jonathan4ny

— Tom Winter (@Tom_Winter) June 28, 2018

dunno why but i'm guess that this won't turn out to be ~purely~ motivated by a desire to kill journalists. my gut feeling is dude will turn out to have some personal beef coupled with these recent incitements. "hatred of journalists deep enough to kill them indiscriminately" still seems pretty fringe compared to, like, "hatred of black people/LGBTQ/women/Jews/Muslims/etc"

https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k,h_1439,w_2560,x_0,y_0/dpr_2.0/c_limit,w_740/fl_lossy,q_auto/v1492107334/articles/2016/11/08/the-man-behind-journalist-rope-tree/161108-brandy-journalist-shirt-tease_e24aqd

well the shooter's name is out and it doesn't *appear* to be an alt-right dude, rather a guy with a grievance against the capital gazette specifically

that's definitely for the best right now

if only megan mcardle had been there to rush the shooter

even our disesteemed president claimed he would do this

Ramos sued the Capital Gazette for defamation in 2012 after it wrote about his guilty plea to criminal harassment in a 2011 column. His case was dismissed, and an appeals court affirmed the decision.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/multiple-people-reported-shot-maryland-newspaper-office-n887526

for harassing a woman btw

seems to be a leading indicator in these things

https://twitter.com/EricHartleyFrnd

this is apparently his twitter, I don't know why the name there is 'eric hartley'. I have no fucking idea what he's on about on here.

Referring to @realDonaldTrump as "unqualified" @capgaznews could end badly (again).http://t.co/SnsooKxcN6
Like so:http://t.co/CbalhNM0DR

— Jarrod W. Ramos (@EricHartleyFrnd) September 16, 2015

this kind of dude was likely to support trump in general, doesn't mean he's alt-right

true. read up on it; I guess he stalked someone he used to know on FB years ago, became a fucking creep; she got a restraining order; the paper wrote an article about this; then he started suing them for defamation despite the fact everything they published was public record. seems to have held a grudge. fucking nutcase.

fucking nutcase misogynist

maura's right, there's a pretty clear line through all these guys

at the very least it means that unless some new revelation comes out there is officially no reason to pay attention to m*lo on this (or anything)

agreed. also i think in the interview cited he said that "killing journalists" (or w/e) was his new response to anyone asking for comment. he's awful, he should be drummed out of public life, and we give him too much credit and oxygen, let him go enjoy his wealth on his lonesome (we'll take it later)

Once again the crux of the story is an angry young white man who stalked women. Ugh.

he should be drummed out of public life

I don't think that happens in public life anymore, and more's the pity

I thought he had been?

Anyway if he's joined UKIP that is surely an admission of defeat/irrelevance, rat joins sinking ship etc.

charming as hell

MGM Resorts International has filed federal lawsuits against more than 1,000 Las Vegas mass shooting victims in an effort to avoid liability.

The company, which owns Mandalay Bay and the Route 91 Harvest festival venue, argues that it cannot be held liable for Oct. 1 deaths, injuries or other damages, adding that any claims against MGM parties “must be dismissed,” according to complaints filed Friday in Nevada and California.

“Plaintiffs have no liability of any kind to defendants,” the complaints argue.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/homicides/lawsuits-claim-mgm-has-no-liability-to-las-vegas-shooting-victims/

it was very intelligent of their legal team to put this back in the headlines

What's next? Big Tobacco sues smokers?

This would be big tobacco suing family members of smokers

Or 7/11.

Big Tobacco suing family members of 9/11 victims

The optics are terrible. But presumably this is in response to victim/relative lawsuits.

I've seen the compilation of security footage, and were I a jury member in any of these cases, I'd find no reason to hold MGM responsible. The sort of surveillance, and intrusion into luggage or room privacy that might have prevented this, would also be so oppressive to ordinary non-terrorist customers that they'd choose competing hotels.

If random terrorism by dedicated and secretive perpetrators is to be prevented, its mainly a law-enforcement and firearms law issue.

If we don’t hold private firms liable for horrible deadly violence that happens on their property, the motivation to change our laws is basically kneecapped. But you do you, my man.

Presuming you've seen the [NYT video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZRgVX8SYX4), what would you have done differently as MGM?

Should hoteliers track all their guests day by day, when they haven't exhibited any signs of their plans (besides moving luggage into their room on several days)? MGM could perhaps have prevented this, but it would have required that they track every time a high-roller moves luggage into their room, demand to inspect luggage before bringing it to rooms, and staff themselves with enough security personnel to monitor all visitors. No hotelier in the world could do this with every guest, and stay in business.

Ilxor still doesn’t support Markdown

Anyway Tombot’s point is not that there’s an obvious reason to find the hotel liable it’s that nobody is ever going to get a dime out of the gun people and getting a jury to bleed some other deep-pocketed entity when something like this happens could have positive downstream effects on gun policy by obliging said deep-pocketed entities to take a financial interest.