US Politics, June 2018: This is a total goat rodeo.

Ha, I was about to come back to post "besides Mark Felt!"

In his case, though, how was what he did payback? Payback for what? For Nixon breaking the law? But he did it under the guise of righteousness, not revenge. Right?

motivation is irrelevant

Well, your implication was that fucking with the FBI will get you fucked. Felt didn't need that prodding. But under this congress and administration, the FBI is being actively impugned.

The whole exchange with Jordan is in here, btw:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/06/28/jim-jordan-reveals-just-how-nutty-republicans-have-become/

have you heard of J. Edgar Hoover

wow @ that CBS This Morning clip

my my but the "libertarians" on facebook sure are quiet these days

Hoover was a thug who fucked with people *before* he was fucked with. Basically the sort of person the GOP is accusing many in the FBI of behaving like now. I'm just saying that the idea that the likes of Jordan or Nunes or whomever will get theirs for messing with the FBI is unfounded, unless the FBI has some actual evidence of criminal wrongdoing or the like. In which case the FBI would be taking them down regardless of their behavior. My point was that their behavior is so crazy and beyond the pale that it's all but daring the FBI to become what they are accused of being, an aggressive, conspiratorial off the leash bunch of plotters.

eventually everyone folds for the boss or gets folded. don't like it? better change that boss. clock is ticking.

Possibly already linked -- had to take a break from this thread for some calm -- but some fun here:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-inconvenient-legal-troubles-that-lie-ahead-for-the-trump-foundation

Civil trial in October and the judge has refused to delay the date at Trump's lawyer's request, while also pretty much telling them 'you know, you all should probably settle this.' Key bits:

Most private companies keep their internal financial information secret. The Trump Organization, though, is unusually opaque. Even now, despite all of the scrutiny it has faced, there is much we don’t know about how it raises funds, spends money, and functions internally.

A series of subpoenaed e-mails and a fascinating deposition offer a glimpse into the work of a mysterious figure, Allen Weisselberg, who has handled Donald Trump’s finances for as long as he’s had any. First hired by the President’s father, Fred Trump, Weisselberg has been the one steady presence in the Trump Organization for the entire period that Donald Trump has run the company. I have spoken to many current and former Trump Organization employees who have shared the same description of the company: it is a chaotic mess, in which projects are randomly distributed to in-house staff. A lawyer might be asked to negotiate a real-estate deal, an executive might be tasked with setting up a product-licensing arrangement. While there are traditional titles, such as general counsel or senior vice-president of operations, there is no standard business hierarchy. Trump, before he became President, would tell people what they should do with no clear regard for consistency. The currency of the place was always one’s proximity to the big boss, Donald Trump, so people didn’t tell colleagues which projects they were handling, out of fear that those colleagues might undermine them. I heard, repeatedly, that there were only two people who knew about every deal the company made: Trump himself and Allen Weisselberg. However, Trump, rather famously, rarely concerned himself with details and often forgot who had received which assignments and how different deals were structured.

Weisselberg’s testimony in the trial, then, could prove revealing. He is perhaps the only non-family member who knows the inner workings of the Trump Organization. Michael Cohen will be a key figure in understanding Trump’s recent business relationships with several overseas partners suspected of potentially engaging in money laundering, corruption, and sanctions violations. (A federal criminal investigation of Cohen includes more than four million business files that will soon be turned over to investigators and are likely to shed light on the company’s operations during the ten years that Cohen was involved.) But it is only Weisselberg who can recount the essence of the Trump Organization from the beginning of Donald Trump’s involvement: in the nineteen-seventies, when the company first discriminated against African-Americans; in the eighties, when Trump appears to have been in business with the New York mafia; in the nineties, when Trump’s casino was in violation of anti-money-laundering laws; and through the aughts, as Trump developed ties to many Russian and former-Soviet oligarchs and political figures.

opposition needs to get the story going NOW and CLEAR that all appointments under trump WILL BE REVERSED and ANNULLED in the event of his removal for cause. who's doing that story?

Hoover was a thug who fucked with people *before* he was fucked with.

^this

The/a question is if things keep accelerating/amplifying, and Mueller or whomever is not done looking into the shit they're looking into, would they release an incomplete report as an emergency measure? Clearly they know all sorts of shit at this point. The Manafort charges alone go deep. If Mueller et al. are going to be shut down, or if issues of national security (like, say, an election) are at stake, would they or can they intervene and at least indicate the direction things are heading in, or would that undercut the whole weight of the investigation?

Ted Lieu's audible sigh of a self promotional tweet: "I will soon be questioning Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein and @FBI Director Christopher Wray at this stupid and ridiculous emergency Judiciary Committee hearing on Hillary Clinton's emails from 2016."

would they release an incomplete report as an emergency measure?

Mueller doesn't strike me as the sort who would do that. He seems more of a methodical prosecutor, who will prefer to gather and arrange the evidence into as complete a picture as possible, knocking off each major player only when he's built the most airtight case he can.

Yay, horseshoe theory still a thing

Extremism was already on the rise before Trump, but he has turbocharged it. With his reactionary agenda and his unhinged attacks on Democrats as traitors and criminals, he is ushering in the rise of a new class of radicals who will play by his rules. Me: https://t.co/zb9t6DkgHU

— Max Boot (@MaxBoot) June 28, 2018

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/06/28/trumps-far-right-extremism-is-driving-his-opponents-to-the-far-left/

lmao that profile picture

There are certainly some people whose existence in the discourse make it silly to deny it’s obviously a real thing.

extremism on the right: separating parents from children, fascist fear-mongering, suppressing democracy, looking the other way when nazis attack people
extremism on the left: a social safety net, rolling back an immigration thug organization established under GWB, phasing out fossil fuels

clearly both equally bad, good luck USA

extreme health care for all!

I just mean the type of people who self identify as left wing but complain about SJWs.

Kelly reportedly exiting this summer.

Alas, will still be existing.

shorter max boot: polarization exists, we should probably bomb someone about it

love to just bomb out my feelings

jack boot morelike amirite

"Me:"

starting to feel like the center might not have held gang

I just mean the type of people who self identify as left wing but complain about SJWs.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:44 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I believe the blanket term for these people is 'fucking morons' iirc.

professional writers are insane

"I wrote a thing"

"Me"

"my latest"

chill, dude

xpost As in 'that fucking moron doesn't understand the basic definition of the words he's using, what a fucking moron.'

The "14 words" is a white supremacist slogan that goes "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."

New DHS press release is also 14 words, and is titled: "We Must Secure The Border And Build The Wall To Make America Safe Again" https://t.co/1cXGUqlwPq

— Christopher Mathias (@letsgomathias) June 28, 2018

technically it's from February -- obviously that is not the key point but

I believe the blanket term for these people is 'fucking morons' iirc.

― A Frankenstein + A Dracula + A Mummy That's Been Werewolfed (Old Lunch), Thursday, June 28, 2018 7:57 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i mean there are tankies (e.g. doctrinaire "support the Democratic People's Republic of Korea" communists) and anarchists you'll find out there who rail against "SJWs/radlibs" as essentially being liberals masquerading as radicals through their vocabulary

i feel like i'm always seeing those maniacs pop up on random twitter threads but i find it hard to believe there's actually that many of them

at this point I'm giving them no benefit of the doubt on that 14 words thing

JD i tend to think they're small and fringe in the U.S., where we don't have a strong organized communist history, but that's just not true in the wider world, and it's easy to find people from the global south constantly dunking on western leftists--they, i think, are much greater in number.

normal times

Right now: 4 NYPD officers stationed outside @nytimes headquarters as a precaution after newsroom shooting in Maryland #nbc4ny pic.twitter.com/j2a9M9w7zk

— Michael George (@mgeorge4NY) June 28, 2018

the huge rallies on Saturday ought to be interesting, stay safe everyone

wtf at my tortured syntax, sorry

at the risk of turning into QAnon, uh...what the hell??

There are 14 points in the article, and the final point contains the number "88" for no good reason -- 88 is also a Nazi dog whistle for "Heil Hitler". https://t.co/WLT3CEqfUw There is absolutely no doubt now that this article is intentionally a signal to Nazis. pic.twitter.com/njS5MDMNIr

— Laurie Voss (@seldo) June 28, 2018

i'm petrified of some panzerwaffen militia group showing up at a mass demonstration tbh. with the amount of guns in this country, seems like the next likely frontier in our slide into 'incivility' and indifference to gun violence

My barber had CNN on when Rosenstein was testifying. Someone needs to shit down Darrell Issa's throat, pronto.

That Rosenstein grilling made my blood boil.

Darrell Issa is going to be gone by November Morbz. Still deserves a good throat-shitting tho

I read that as "throat-slitting" and thought, "Here we go again..."

the huge rallies on Saturday ought to be interesting, stay safe everyone

― sleeve, Thursday, June 28, 2018 4:01 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm set to go to one of these on Saturday. A little nervous, but we can't allow ourselves to be cowed, can we?

I was planning on going to the big rally in front of the state house on Saturday but then just got an invite from Movimiento Cosecha to join a civil disobedience later in the day, targeted at one of the local prisons, to protest cooperation between our local law enforcement and ICE. Now I need to perform some sort of impact analysis to decide which one to do.

the latter

agreed, you can always post your Gofundme here and we'll help you pay your fine

absolutely