Queer Eye For The Straight Guy WTF

I kind of dig a rolled up sleeve too. Most shirts sold in mainstream stores have terrible cuts/proportions for most people and who has time/$ to tailor everything.

I just got dressed and my t shirt has pre rolled up sleeves. So much better.

I bought my mr veg a fashionable cream-colored tshirt with variegated horizontal stripes for his birthday & he made this face like “youve been watching too much Queer Eye” but it looked good so I feel vindicated

i have never actively bought clothes for mr veg before and tbh idk if i would do it again
feels a bit weird?

I recently talked my husband into rolling his sleeves - he likes short sleeve Patagonia button-downs but I’ve always hated how big and baggy the sleeves are. So much better rolled - yerac otm.

i'm glad we've reached this point because i think the tension between gay and queer identities/roles/stereotypes and the extent of mainstream acceptance and approval of those identities/roles/stereotypes is worth discussing or arguing over.

I agree with this. I identify as "gay" and would get laughed out of the room if I identified as "queer," so

me too and some of my gay friends would be horrified if someone called them queer.

I would be flattered, not horrified, but I know I fall short of the tag.

I will also ask on the gay thread but I would like to know whether or not it is OK in 2018 for straight people to use the term queer? Growing up I was taught (by straight ppl) that this was a derogatory term, like the f word, and not OK for me (cis straight) to use any more than the n word (I'm white).

I finally watched the mayor of Clarkston episode. I really liked the guy and his mayoress.

ok, wtf was Tan playing at in the clothing store? he puts the guy in a light jean with the faked pre-fades that he pairs with a blazer and a black oxford shoe? that is a very bad combo on the lower half particularly. he really has to stop with this "french tuck" too. i have never in my life seen somone with the front of their shirt tucked in but the back hanging out.

his bear was bad, as was noted above, but he really suited a beard (although not that swedish death metal beard/twits beard) and he would have looked better with a properly kempt short beard rather than unshaven. I did not like his haircut, it was better before.

style star of the show was actually the female consul from sierra leone who came for dinner and the older man with the transparent shirt was good as well.

as eric noted above bobby is again doing the "heavy lifting" here.

really lovely couple though!

I agree with this. I identify as "gay" and would get laughed out of the room if I identified as "queer," so

The reason I chucked "queer" in there was because I didn't want to make it all about gay men, when this is a show called "Queer Eye" and has broadened to include makeovers of at least one person that might identify as "queer". That said I basically went on to only talk about gays.

I will also ask on the gay thread but I would like to know whether or not it is OK in 2018 for straight people to use the term queer? Growing up I was taught (by straight ppl) that this was a derogatory term, like the f word, and not OK for me (cis straight) to use any more than the n word (I'm white).

Quincie, I think the answer is some people are ok with it, but some people strongly resent and resist it, for numerous reasons. One being its associations with a certain kind of preciously radical type, like some people might acknowledge that they're different but being brought under the same umbrella as a person with quite different political views and expression, some people don't want to be categorised like that. Another being that some people don't want other people thinking there's something wrong with their sexuality, since even though it's synonymous with "unconventional" and "odd", it's also synonymous with "deviant", "dubious" and "creepy" which obvs have less pleasant connotations. Some people choose to own it, like "yay I'm queer as in freaky and not boring normal", and good for them reclaiming something and using it for empowerment, but it's not necessarily going to sit comfortably for those that struggle to divorce it from other meanings. If you go back to say, b&w noir films, you'll probably hear the word used negatively, as in "there's something queer going on here", like "there's something dodgy and shady and NOT RIGHT going on here", and even though the word is far less commonly used these days to describe something odd or suss, especially by younger people, it's still around, still tied to another use that darkens its meaning. I know "queer" is supposed to be inclusive and celebratory of difference, but sometimes it also comes across as trendy and representative of only a certain section of homosexuality, imo.

Totally agree, Jed! I started regretting saying the clothing had improved. It really hadn't though. I thought initially he was doing ok but then that episode in particular stuck out. I don't think it's very fair to criticise Tan's style as staid. I mean it is, but these aren't usually the most adventurous people, and he's making them more presentable. However, I will agree he does seem to have ignored some of their personal style. The too short trousers on the mayor was nagl. That's a late teen/early 20s look imo, and even then it can look too fashiony. He also should have just had his beard trimmed slightly, because he ended up looking a bit gaunter. He had luscious locks before too! Tan made him look a little bit neo-Nazi, yes, but also kind of 50s or 60s military-preppy. It definitely made him look more severe, but then maybe that's what they were aiming for, so he would get more respect from his councillors, which is kind of what he wanted.

The rolled up sleeve thing is just hilarious because he does it every time, without fail.

It looks ok on some guys but can be a little conspicuous on others. I don't think Tan pays much attention to whether it's going to look more conspicuous on a certain kind of man. I think it's something that on its own is usually fine, but if there's another little fashiony ProTip going on, or some other prominent item of clothing that screams fash, then you're going to look as if you're trying a little too hard.

Lol at all the guys that did this before Tan recommended it and may now feel self-conscious about other people thinking they're aping his style.

I think what I want to say to Quincie, to better answer that question, is yes I think it's more or less ok in 2018 to use the term "queer" as a straight person. It has become more normalised, and is generally seen as a catchall term to describe people of different sexualities, without being an offensive term to the majority of people that identify as non-straight.

God I feel as if I'm mansplaining here, sorry!

However, I would probably be careful about the context in which it's used, and I wouldn't necessarily refer to someone as "a queer" or "queer" if you weren't sure whether they were comfortable with being referred to that way. And don't necessarily assume that the person is being precious because they don't want to accept being termed "queer". There is already a lot of policing and gatekeeping going on about what is and isn't "queer" in the gay community, so people can easily feel alienated by that too.

sorry but the whole french tuck thing is cracking me up too

i secretly want him to keep doing it so i can lol every time as the guy nods and goes "oh ok, huh, guess i never thought of that"

TanJonathan made him look a little bit neo-Nazi, yes, but also kind of 50s or 60s military-preppy.

sorry, didn't mean to post so many times in a row

Oh yeah, the mayor. That was the only clothes that I was against because of the weird trousers for such a tall guy. I don't know if he was going for a Thom Brown look? It just didn't work. And he had a nazi haircut before and after, just shorter. I actually said aloud "he has a nazi haircut, i mean it's a good haircut in general, but yeah..." I like a french tuck. I didn't know it had a name until this show. A lot of shirts are too long and cut off at the bottom too boxy, but tucking it in fully makes you look squat and constanza-y if you don't have the best body.

Fair point. I don't mean to be a judgey dick about it. I don't actually have much of an opinion about how it looks, it's more that Tan has turned it into a thing.

Do you really think he looked like a Nazi with his original hairstyle? I'm not seeing it. Maybe in a slightly Michael Pitt sort of way.

It was the undercut and floppy/long top. I stopped cutting my spouse's hair like that because of all the shit in the world. I am googling to see if Beckham is still wearing fash hair. So many articles on this haircut. But yeah the french tuck is good for belly chub without making you seem totally sloppy.

Thank you for the thoughtful response(s), qq. You weren't mansplaining; I asked because I really wanted an update on current usage parameters! I think that unless I know that a gay person prefers "queer," I would stick with "gay" (for example: a girlfriend meets a coworker and says "oh wow he's cute and nice, is he single? Me: "yes to all, but he's gay" vs. "he's queer").

Which makes me curious as to why the showrunners chose "Queer Eye" and not "Gay Eye," as the Fab Five refer to themselves on camera as "gay guys," not "queer guys."

I like this show for something light and cheerful when my brain is tired. I would kiw each and every one of those guys, they seem like genuinely kind and fun people. Their banter in the truck is my favorite part of the show.

Like, "Big Gay Jesus" still makes me giggle.

french tuck (well, half-tuck) was every video game character in 2007

image example

He is also so on point about where the shoulder seam should fall on shirts. I super like a lot of men's clothes and always think I can wear it (even just men's t shirts) if I buy a S or XS. Nope, the shoulders are always all wrong and gives it away. And the sleeves are stupid boxy/blousey.

his bear was bad, as was noted above, but he really suited a beard (although not that swedish death metal beard/twits beard) and he would have looked better with a properly kempt short beard rather than unshaven. I did not like his haircut, it was better before.

yeah, I was fretting that they were gonna take his whole beard off - as well as suiting him, I thought that as a wee baby attempting to build respect in his community as mayor, a solid but shaped beard would probably help give him some authority amongst older sceptics and non-voters.


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― Οὖτις, Tuesday, June 26, 2018 9:21 AM (yesterday)

Shakey how many gay Scottish comedians are you citing as authorities on this or anything?

(tbf I don't think anyone would take Larry Dean as fashion maven, least of all himself)

i have never actively bought clothes for mr veg before and tbh idk if i would do it again
feels a bit weird?

if you like the results then I recommend trying again? esp if you say "hey I really like you in that shirt" a few times before saying "if yr cool with it I could buy or suggest some others?" and if he's weird about it too then you can both settle into shared discomfort, nbd.

sic that Scott Thompson quote I posted is from an interview where he decries how much he is ignored/ostracized by the larger gay community, despite being relatively famous (on various hit TV shows, etc.) so jed's not knowing who he is has a certain irony

on TV shows in North America

no Larry Sanders or Kids in the Hall in the UK? huh

I bought clothes for my partner once or twice but the fit is hard so I would rather drag him into a store while we are out and pull things out that I think look good.

I know who he is now from podcasts, have never seen an episode of Kids In The Hall, which AFAIK never aired in Australia. watched Larry Sanders dedicatedly, but didn't have any wider context for "the guy who played Hank's assistant after Darlene"

(Larry Dean is the only gay Glaswegian comedian I can think of, because I've seen him do spots in Sydney.)

I would stick with "gay" (for example: a girlfriend meets a coworker and says "oh wow he's cute and nice, is he single? Me: "yes to all, but he's gay" vs. "he's queer")

I don't want to dictate your use of terms like queer when you're just having a conversation with a girlfriend. I think it's just something to be mindful of around gay people, as in when you're addressing them directly, but I suppose if you said to someone else, "he's queer", they could then go "oh yeah quincie said you're queer", which apart from them being like "that bitch quincie!", they might feel a bit weird being referred to as queer. Sometimes it's their own insecurity that they're not comfortable with any of these descriptive terms, but sometimes it's for valid reasons that they don't want to be known as eg queer. I guess you could say the same about "gay" but there's a slight difference in historical usage, imo. I wouldn't worry too much about it. If in doubt and you know someone's gay, you could just ask them what they're comfortable with, if that's even necessary.

Just watched episode 2 and I'm very mad about Antoni's Morningstar slander.

Jonathan's "use those dexterous fingers" was delightful. He'd be a great elementary school teacher -- such specific praise!

Jonathan just owns this interview. (Karamo draws on his hair??? why? He looks great bald.)
http://www.vulture.com/2018/06/queer-eye-interview-sex-politics-call-me-by-your-name.html

I love Jonathan, he’s probably my fave. He just seems like the most authentic one.

I’ve been wondering about the weird matt brown make-up on Karamo’s head all season.

Me too. Weird.

As long as he doesn't go full Sagat:

http://www.vipado.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/sagat-grife-de-moda-t-shirts-underwear.jpg

O_o

That jawline looks tatted too.

I was super confused about that part in the article but I get it now. Karamo had male pattern baldness and filled it in. But the others made him learn to love and accept himself so he shaved his head and is now embracing the bald.

Johnathan went from being my least favorite cast member in S1 to my fave in S2 but I still think he's the worst at his job.

Bobby and Tan are doing the heavy lifting tbh.

I'm very mad about Antoni's Morningstar slander

still haven't started season two but antoni is now my enemy

18 yo songwriter Sean is terrifyingly beautiful and so self-possessed it's just not even fair. It is possible to be that 100% authentic and unguarded if you're a well-nurtured homeschooler uncorrupted by the whole idea of teenage-hood? Or is he secretly psychopathic?

He seemed more off than well-nurtured.

He was freaking me out until he started cooking an omelette.

he was a character all right, buti don't agree with orbit's assessment, to put it mildly.

I was cringing so hard when they took him to paintball or laser tag whatever it was, and the guys had clearly set those teens up - “I like your necklace” “that is a great shirt” etc. he sounded like an AI character out of Black Mirror.

He seemed to loosen up a lot more near the end, once he saw his new place.

he was fine considering the fact of the adoption and the homeschooling and the big liza minelli-ish songs but it kinda seemed to be more about making him actually seem normal in an 18 yo way, obv. yeah, he was a talented guy tho and i wouldn't want all 18 yo's to conform to what 18 yo's are like, but still.

It’s a shame Tan gave him the wardrobe of a 45-year-old.

He previously had the wardrobe of a seventy year-old, though, so I reckon Tan was meeting him halfway.

Liza Minelli is 72.

those SEAN jackets were hysterical and awful and adorable

If Burning Man dude didn't grow up with an emotionally abusive or unavailable hyperachieving father, I am ilx's most beloved poster.