Democratic (Party) Direction

Fred, weren't you just complaining about the use of POCs as props?

Lol, you can't be serious?

He hasn't been primaried in like 20 years and he knew perfectly well that Ocasio would challenge him publicly and he ghosted and send a staffer to the slaughter. Elected officials do it all the time. A local Repub representative of my school's community sent a college intern to meet with our union delegation when we went to his offices in Albany.

It says "I have no intention of having this conversation."

They had a real debate that had long been scheduled for two days after that tho

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2018/06/15/crowley-ocasio-cortez-stay-civil-despite-differences-in-primary-debate-470236 'First and only primary debate'. Sooooo stupid.

algado said Crowley, 56, doomed any chances of getting an endorsement when he blew off a debate sponsored by his club at the Jackson Heights Jewish Center on Monday.

He said about 200 people showed up and many were disappointed that Crowley wasn’t there.

“Ocasio-Cortez showed up,” Salgado said. “A lot of people didn’t like that Crowley didn’t appear.”

And it hurt him.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/15/queens-democratic-club-snubs-longtime-rep-joe-crowley/

His campaign’s statement explaining his non-attendance in that article isn’t very good.

Like something simple like “my son flooded the bathroom and I had to deal w that all day” would have been better.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/new-york-19th-district-w521726

Pretty good series on outsider politics. So depressing how much time dems spend dialing for dollars.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/opinion/joseph-crowley-alexandria-ocasio-cortez.htm

Editorial Board of the NYTimes, not just an op-ed

Ded link

Add an l at the end

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/opinion/joseph-crowley-alexandria-ocasio-cortez.html

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GET IT

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/mike-bloomberg-democrats-election.html

$80 million is great, but

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/27/koch-brothers-network-to-spend-400-million-in-midterm-election-cycle.html

Koch brothers and their cohort understand that you have to spend money to make money.

Aside, if you want to hear a really good deeper dive on the ideological roots of the Koch network: https://www.blubrry.com/jacobin/34546244/the-dig-democracy-in-chains-with-nancy-maclean/

Koch brothers have ~$82 billion. 400 million is about 0.5% of their wealth. Bloomberg has around $50 billion, so 80 million is about 0.16% of his wealth.

tbf I think that 400 million is them and their wealthy donor friends combined, that's how they operate

The surprise, as ever, is not that politicians can be bought, but that they can be bought so goddam cheaply.

An interesting thing about this moment is that both Bloomberg and the Koch Brothers are ideologically out of step with the bases of their respective parties. The Koch Bros outsized influence probably contributed to the backlash that led to Trump.

No, Trump support was not fueled by backlash against Koch Brothers influence.

although it seems like the Kochs are more than willing to abjure their ostensible "libertarianism" in favor of white ethnocentrism if it gets them the wins that really matter.

XPost Uselessly broad references to opposing “party establishment” doesn’t really count. It me a lot about all of the NYT profile style whitewashing pieces on Trump supporters.

*reminds me of

the Kochs are more than willing to abjure their ostensible "libertarianism" in favor of white ethnocentrism if it gets them the wins that really matter.

otm. the Krupps made similar calculations.

No, Trump support was not fueled by backlash against Koch Brothers influence.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, June 20, 2018 12:47 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The Trump base differs distinctly from the Kochs on immigration. Kochs were a big backer of the Gang of 8 immigration reform bill that helped spark the anti-immigrant/white-supremacist rebellion within the party.

If placating white supremacists is the price to get those $1.7 trillion in tax cuts passed, the Kochs wouldn't hesitate over differences on immigration policy.

That's mostly just a Sanders-soundbite, no?

“Ezra Klein: You said being a democratic socialist means a more international view. I think if you take global poverty that seriously, it leads you to conclusions that in the US are considered out of political bounds. Things like sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders. About sharply increasing ...”
“Bernie Sanders: Open borders? No, that's a Koch brothers proposal.”
“Ezra Klein: Really?”
“Bernie Sanders: Of course. That's a right-wing proposal, which says essentially there is no United States.”

If placating white supremacists is the price to get those $1.7 trillion in tax cuts passed, the Kochs wouldn't hesitate over differences on immigration policy.

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, June 20, 2018 1:11 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not sure I agree with this. Immigration reform is a pretty central part of pro-business libertarianism, which wants more movement of workers to depress wages (combined with fewer worker protections).

lol Fred are you saying Bernie Sanders is unfairly smearing the Koch Bros, that's a position you actually want to take?

No, I'm saying you should try and get your news from different sources. Also, being pro open borders is not really a 'smear' in my book.

But I mean, there's no doubt that the Koch Brothers are out of step with Trump here: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/19/koch-libre-against-house-immigration-bills-654201

I'm "getting my news" from people who have written books on the Koch Bros, not from Sanders

oh, suddenly there's "no doubt", I guess you googled it and backtracked

yeah but like, have you considered, uh

I get all my news from the Jyllands-Posten

jfc that Bernie quote

<3 open borders

the koch vision of open borders is nothing like what you probably have in mind

it's based on the concept of large population indentured servitude by individual contract with is weird

the koch vision of open borders is nothing like what you probably have in mind

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, June 20, 2018 2:32 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

true, but even a libertarian version of open borders would be the greatest humanitarian policy in history

the libertarian version of open borders looks something like the "guest worker" programs in saudi arabia and dubai and is definitely not humanitarian

some "true libertarians" literally believe in open borders, no conditions

well yeah, but those are unicorns, I'm talking about the Koch Bros

I mean there are college libertarians who believe that stuff in the abstract, but no one on the right with any power does

oh, suddenly there's "no doubt", I guess you googled it and backtracked

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), 20. juni 2018 20:17 (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You think that link backs up your claims? Lol.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/X4wtQRMju29c82CYA1VLJ6eTSQWYhuAZ7OHMfwkJYI4r0nTfiBhGZxCIyU4DdOQFcUkZnybxJKb3cQeJCJvqTVlhiQ7vI7m7HoplAJo=w800-l68