US Politics, June 2018: This is a total goat rodeo.

No surprise here: Commerce secretary Wilbur Ross didn't divest from his firm. He's in business with companies co-owned by the Chinese government, linked to Vladimir Putin’s inner circle, and a Cyprus bank caught up in the Robert Mueller investigation." https://t.co/HAgO5RB3Eg

— Lily Herman (@lkherman) June 18, 2018

since it's bring brought up...what do y'all think we should do with people entering illegally?

According to Josh's presumed standard, refugees must always flee from their home country by land routes, or if they fly away by airline, then they must simulate fleeing on land by flying only into a neighboring country?

No, I just though it had to be relatively direct. That is, you could fly from Syria or Russia or China direct to the US to claim asylum, but you couldn't fly from Syria to, say, Canada and then cross over to try and claim asylum in the US. Right? But it's all pretty complicated and inconsistent, afaict.

xpost I think it's a tougher question than many angry people think!

since it's bring brought up...what do y'all think we should do with people entering illegally?

Forcibly relocate them...to one of the shitty, empty white-homeland states like Idaho or Nebraska. New York and L.A. and Chicago have enough people already. Let's make Wyoming's population a little more dense. Make 'em earn their two senators.

... Or just let them in, in the vast majority of cases.

In theory I'm cool with that, but ... How many? What benefits will they get? Any requirements? Do they become citizens immediately? Etc.

since it's bring brought up...what do y'all think we should do with people entering illegally?

― frogbs, 18. juni 2018 20:38 (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think it's a tougher question than many angry people think!

― Josh in Chicago, 18. juni 2018 20:44 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I know I'm a foreigner so of course don't understand anything about the US, but why is it more difficult for you than for the rest of the world? They are asylum seekers, build refugee camps, have the families live there, send them home when their claim is rejected.

Do they become citizens immediately? Etc.

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, June 18, 2018 2:52 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah I would go for that so when ppls come back to try and take their citizenship away they have standing in US courts

we like to separate ourselves from Trump and say, “This is an aberration.” I think the rest of the world is thinking, “How did this person get elected?”

It is not possible to draw a straight line from any prior point in US history directly to the election of Donald J. Trump. We got here by the crookedest of paths. He's what we vomited up after ingesting several decades worth of political poison and economic corruption. Let us hope he was a sufficiently emetic dose to cleanse the system, if not back to 'health', at least back to a semblance of functionality.

MIchael Avenatti has just advertised that he's entering the fight against family separation I see.
Hope he isn't just about to team up with the Mooch in other areas though.

People seeking asylum is one thing, I'm talking more about people who cross over in search of a country richer than their own or whatever. Obviously theres got to be some process here.

Trump is so obviously a feature of America, not a bug. Come on. Xps

xpost And some limits, right? The alternative is open borders.

since it's bring brought up...what do y'all think we should do with people entering illegally?

All civilized people should aspire to ending borders tbh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZyBSQC1RZI

imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3eQv9YC6NI

Many xpost recommendation for They Thought They Were Free:
http://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

for what it's worth "open borders; unlimited immigration" was also an option on the study I linked, but garnered the lowest support, also by a huge margin

Since some of the population of the US is so concerned with lower birthrates, let everyone in who wants to fill out the form.

older ILX thread/poll: open or national borders?

What I’ve heard from a number of foreign governments since Trump came to office, including pretty senior people is that, you don’t understand. It’s not just that Trump’s president, it’s that your country elected Trump. And essentially that’s why Trump’s presidency, I think, is more destructive than any one event that will take place under Trump. I think for a lot of Americans, we like to separate ourselves from Trump and say, “This is an aberration.” I think the rest of the world is thinking, “How did this person get elected?” Just him losing the election in 2020 won’t fully correct that something that is broken. America was a country where that wasn’t supposed to happen. To have basically an authoritarian demagogue get elected president.

Wtf, imotherfucker, we re-elected Nixon, Reagan, and Dubya. How much disillusionment do you need?

Pictures of President Trump and Kim Jong Un in the West Wing of the White House. A few weeks ago, these frames surrounded pics of Trump with Emmanuel Macron, president of France, one of America’s closest allies. pic.twitter.com/RZja99SDnJ

— Michael C. Bender (@MichaelCBender) June 18, 2018

Tough not to support Macron erasure tbh

New: ProPublica has obtained audio from inside a U.S. Customs and Border Protection facility, in which children can be heard wailing.

Border Patrol agent jokes, “We have an orchestra here.” https://t.co/pkmD8DKYmo

— ProPublica (@ProPublica) June 18, 2018

i don't know if i can bear to listen to that, i'm angry enough

okay i am listening to this and am just sick to my stomach

Wish that was a Current 93 recording, but sadly it's not.

motherfuckers!

so when are people marching ? this is enough of this shit

There's this

Look for an important announcement TONIGHT on @allinwithchris re *major protest against family separation* in DC & nationwide. @RepJayapal, one of our utmost champions, will share plans. All hands on deck. @chrislhayes @MoveOn @domesticworkers @waltshaub #FamiliesBelongTogether

— Anna Galland (@annagalland) June 18, 2018

good, thx Ned

we like to separate ourselves from Trump and say, “This is an aberration.” I think the rest of the world is thinking, “How did this person get elected?”

I hate to break the news but this is far from novel.

Certainly with Dubya, maybe not so much with Reagan but everybody was still laughing up their sleeve about him.

Supposedly Sanders and Nielsen will be giving a joint presser in about half an hour.

yes! thanks .i just feel like all the fuckery this administration has reveled in is really about to come to a head here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoncXfYBAVI

TRUMP!!

that didn't take long (unsurprisingly)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/texas-deputy-sexually-assaulted-undocumented-immigrant-s-child-sheriff-says-n884176

yeah sadly that won't be the last i suspect

fuck these motherfuckers straight to hell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=40&v=6QFPdGiD8EE

oops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QFPdGiD8EE

well at least that was a solid lol

Ah, cowards

A White House official tells @jeffzeleny that @PressSec didn't want to do the briefing today amid questions on child separation policy, so @SecNielsen is being flown in from New Orleans to take questions.

— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) June 18, 2018

agree

Members of ICE should be outed and ostracized. Hassled at restaurants, malls, when they pick their kids up from school, etc. You should not be able to be a part of the machine separating children from their families and clock out for a peaceful evening.

— mike cernovich is a rapist (@ArielleSwernoff) June 18, 2018

I'm waiting for whoever that really is to pull off the mask. Could it be Franken? I mean, "Dick Painter" is the kind of character name he'd come up with, and the voice is hilarious.

dude has a neurological disorder that causes him to speak that way

Right, been wondering what that was looks like a stroke victim on some of the tv appearances I've seen.

god this is heartbreaking and infuriating. fuck all of these people, rot in fucking hell. stephen miller at the least needs to visit The Hague ASAP.