Democratic (Party) Direction

I'd actually be curious to see a Boehner reappraisal - was he genuinely bad at the job or were the monkeys he was in charge of significantly worse that McConnell's? He was only there for four years (Fred has forgotten Pelosi, I'm afraid), and all post-Tea Party.

I mean bringing up bills that you don't win is a sign you're not cut out for that job, I get that.

He was bad at his job and he was one of the monkeys. Maybe in another era he would've been Bob Michel.

Yeah, sure. But he was Republican House Leader for eight years. Sorry for the confusion.

And the monkeys are worse. There's nothing like the Freedom Caucus in the Senate, and the leadership just seems to have more power, no?

They've known she would be on the ballot for at least a month. And when you have 1,5 million dollars on hand, you don't really need to 'mobilize' people, you can pay them.

― Frederik B, Thursday, 14 June 2018 13:37 (yesterday) Permalink

In about two dozen posts on the subject, which you have no up-close knowledge of, the sum-total of your insight into the Crowley-AOC race seems to be "she might not win," which was acknowledged up front. So, thanks for that.

I'm just going to say again, that if you want to posit 'up-close knowledge' is an important factor, you should post less stupid stuff.

Fred u need a new hobby

Oh, a prior unknown who had raised about $100,000 before her name started to get out there might have trouble unseating a longtime incumbent chair of the county party who already had a two-million-dollar warchest on gumption, viral ads and grassroots organizing alone? That might be an uphill battle? Where did you get your PhD in political science?

xxp we all do

Animus against Fred is so locked in at this point that he gets scolded even for saying that the Senate's worship of seniority unavoidably leads to irrational outcomes.

there are a lot of things wrong with the Senate that will probably never change

xpost: At this point I just assume it's the same motivation as Morbs posted in that other thread:

get out of town, foreigner

― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), 15. juni 2018 16:14 (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

What thread is that in?

"Posts you had second thought about and decided not to post - put them here"

That is, he posted it there instead of in this thread.

I am not a board etiquette expert but I think the point of the second thought thread is NOT to have the beef brought back into the source thread and rehashed there.

It's like what happens in Vegas, innit?

It's not beef. Morbs was just unusually direct.

Defenders of Feinstein’s incumbency generally cite her competence and experience. Feinstein is indeed well-versed in the kind of transactional, collaborative, bipartisan politics that no longer exists in the United States Congress. This is something like being fluent in Esperanto. The primary responsibilities of a Democratic senator in 2018 are writing legislation that cannot pass and grandstanding in support of Democratic messaging. These are things that can be accomplished by political veterans and newcomers alike.

― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius)

what skills should a leader in the house of representatives have, small arms fire?

senator, whatever

I'd actually be curious to see a Boehner reappraisal - was he genuinely bad at the job or were the monkeys he was in charge of significantly worse that McConnell's? He was only there for four years (Fred has forgotten Pelosi, I'm afraid), and all post-Tea Party.

― Andrew Farrell

i'm just glad he's stopped crying. as for his belief the republican party is taking a "nap", well, a dirt nap is a kind of nap i guess

The debate: https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2018/06/15/crowley-ocasio-cortez-stay-civil-despite-differences-in-primary-debate-470236

rushomancy, writing some bills that can pass and not voting for Yam's Cabinet maybe

Posts very much out of character

“Where did you hear that??”
“On reddit.” pic.twitter.com/nhAtzbBtXs

— whiskeydrinker.exe (@we_healing) June 16, 2018

I very much hope she wins, but I also very much hope there are more candidates like her in the coming years in districts all around the country.

Progressive candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@Ocasio2018) could be the first Latina to represent her district in Congress. That means taking on an incumbent Democrat — here's why. pic.twitter.com/58b7IzNloV

— REMEZCLA (@REMEZCLA) June 15, 2018

Would also just like to point out a toxic use of the "taxpayer money" trope by Crowley. Dude said he was elected by "taxpayers." He was literally elected by voters. Saying you're elected by "taxpayers" is dog-whistling to wealthier people.

— Raúl Carrillo (@RaulACarrillo) June 16, 2018

MoveOn endorsed her.

https://theintercept.com/2018/06/18/joe-crowley-moveon-endorses-primary-challenger-to-the-potential-next-speaker-of-the-house/

Hey, cool, MoveOn still exists! Good for them.

They have 300k Twitter followers, so yes, they appear to still exist.

I assume they mostly create Facebook memes.

Nah they use that big email cannon of theirs to promote legit action from time to time--I worked with them on a few things last year. Their lawyers are terrified of civil disobedience but that e-mail cannon is worthwhile.

Pretty good article on Crowley and Ocasio-Cortez. The story about how he got his congress seat is galling. Smash the machines: https://www.villagevoice.com/2017/06/19/the-most-powerful-democrat-in-queens-must-finally-compete/

He sent a Latina spokesperson in his place to represent him at a local debate.

The nerve!

Jk, I'm not sure I get the problem here, there was one planned debate, and he was there, and is he not supposed to have Latina spokespersons?

there's an ilxor you should read on this - some danish political nut who posted a lot of trenchant commentary on political optics and race with regard to bernie sanders's poll numbers in the south.

Jk, I'm not sure I get the problem here, there was one planned debate, and he was there, and is he not supposed to have Latina spokespersons?

He was spotted in town throughout the day. It wouldn't have been hard for him to turn up if he'd wanted to.

Sure, but people don't just organize debates and demand that the candidates show up? He was at the debate both campaigns had agreed to be at. This is weak, Simon.

you are both absurd

Very possibly.

Hey, if Simon and I don't sort out Dem debate etiquette in New York, who will?

no one, go home

Fred, weren't you just complaining about the use of POCs as props?

Lol, you can't be serious?

He hasn't been primaried in like 20 years and he knew perfectly well that Ocasio would challenge him publicly and he ghosted and send a staffer to the slaughter. Elected officials do it all the time. A local Repub representative of my school's community sent a college intern to meet with our union delegation when we went to his offices in Albany.

It says "I have no intention of having this conversation."

They had a real debate that had long been scheduled for two days after that tho

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2018/06/15/crowley-ocasio-cortez-stay-civil-despite-differences-in-primary-debate-470236 'First and only primary debate'. Sooooo stupid.

algado said Crowley, 56, doomed any chances of getting an endorsement when he blew off a debate sponsored by his club at the Jackson Heights Jewish Center on Monday.

He said about 200 people showed up and many were disappointed that Crowley wasn’t there.

“Ocasio-Cortez showed up,” Salgado said. “A lot of people didn’t like that Crowley didn’t appear.”

And it hurt him.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/15/queens-democratic-club-snubs-longtime-rep-joe-crowley/

His campaign’s statement explaining his non-attendance in that article isn’t very good.

Like something simple like “my son flooded the bathroom and I had to deal w that all day” would have been better.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/new-york-19th-district-w521726

Pretty good series on outsider politics. So depressing how much time dems spend dialing for dollars.