Democratic (Party) Direction

I don't even know why I care to speak up at all given I probably haven't read a full column of his in years, he just seems like the 500th most evil person in US media

That said I earnestly like most of the other intercept folks

Also Tucker does a lot of anti-immigration scare stories and a fountain of misinformation in general that you should not endorse by going on much less invite him on your own podcast.

I don't like GG palling around w Carlson but idgaf about people going on Fox in general, it's just a means to reach an audience

An audience of human garbage that no thinking person should want to reach, but sure.

That said I earnestly like most of the other intercept folks

Yeah, Lee Fang is a real treat.

i first encountered GG as the smart and clear-headed if admittedly long-winded dude who wrote long screeds for salon about civil liberties during the bush years. i thought he was valuable then and tbh he'd be valuable now, but instead we have the insufferable troll he gradually evolved into. i quit following him a while back but every time i check in the most recent 20 tweets or retweets are inevitably about how bad democrats are.

Oh sweet merciful jeebus how do you all keep track of who all these writerdroids are, which are okay to take seriously, and which are people where we reject everything they write merely because they wrote it?

I have been an actual professional journalist in our nation's capital and I can't keep track of who is acceptable to read and/or believe.

Please provide a database of the voices we can freely quote, those we can only quote with reservation, and those we can never refer to ever because they are double-plus-ungood. Thanks in advance.

i think Deez hosts such a directory YMP it should be available on their website

.nuts is surely an underrated domain

Ocasio seems good and it’s possible she’s not familiar w Greenwald beyond the boiler plate thing she quoted today but it’s a democratic primary which we can’t get mad if she loses after associating with the guy who has made it his new weird crusade to defend the fascist president at all costs.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, June 12, 2018 3:35 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The thing I find remarkable about concern-trolls is that they are always totally transparent, just like this post, fooling no one whatsoever, yet year after year the concern trolls continue their schtick, convinced each time they have subtly and cleverly ingratiated themselves to their intended audience like master spies, when in fact they are obvious fucking narcs.

Wahhh he said something bad about Glenn

i first encountered GG as the smart and clear-headed if admittedly long-winded dude who wrote long screeds for salon about civil liberties during the bush years. i thought he was valuable then and tbh he'd be valuable now, but instead we have the insufferable troll he gradually evolved into. i quit following him a while back but every time i check in the most recent 20 tweets or retweets are inevitably about how bad democrats are.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, June 12, 2018

exactly my response

Wahhh he said something bad about Glenn

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, June 12, 2018 8:45 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Greetings fellow progressives!"

man alive, check out Deez.nuts.com for help dealing with concern trolls

xp I honestly don't care that much about Glenn Greenwald. I don't follow him, I don't read him. I don't read the Intercept that often either, although I do sometimes listen to Scahill's podcast. I just think it's so fucking po-faced and cowardly to be like "Yeah Ocasio seems good, too bad she associated with this poisonous publication which is certain to doom her campaign." Just admit that she is too far left for you, it's fine. Just say what your problems are with HER, not with a publication she granted an interview to, which certainly has no more skeletons in its closet than the NYTimes, the Washington Post, the fucking Atlantic Monthly or any of the other sentinels of democracy in these dark times that I'm sure you credit. Except maybe it's really true that people like you don't have enough of a clearly thought out and coherent ideology to spell out what your problems are with her, she just represents this vague threat to your comfiness.

I honestly can't imagine what good anyone thinks glenn greenwald is doing. When you defend him, what exactly are you defending? What useful things does he have to say?

xpost oh you don't follow him you don't read him so what the fuck

Ocasio also did and interview with Deez.nuts, although i don’t think it will hurt her campaign odds

Who brought up Glenn Greenwald in the first place? I am talking about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, candidate for congress in NY-14.

yr last two posts, jesus

Every week the New York Times publishes Bret Fucking Stephens. The Atlantic Monthly hired Kevin Fucking Williamson. Would any of you try to discredit a politician for appearing in those publications?

I do like her. Amazing to me that the reaction to someone being conflicted is “he’s trying to trick me”. One is possibly locked into an intra-party bubble too much if they think liking that politician and disliking Glenn Greenwald is only possible as some sort of a psy-op

The New York Times is exactly like Fox News

Oh wait you were referring to Ocasio appearing in the Intercept not Glenn going on Fox. The Intercept has some good reporting, signal boosting Greenwald.

*signal boosting Greenwald is the problem imo not appearing in the Intercept

man alive has a p bad case of Chapo brain, check out Deez.nuts.com for help with that

with respect, flopson, you may be over-using that particular trope

there is a diagnostic tool available at moc.stun.zeed if you wish to check

hey JD, there is plenty of "cold war hysteria" extremely evident in US politics this week, and you don't hafta be a righty to see it.

Cold War "-style" obviously

Meanwhile, one Democratic party direction is to go around the country expending real effort in defense of voting rights. In Wisconsin, Scott Walker, spooked by an unexpected special election loss of a State Senate seat, said he wasn't holding elections for the next two open seats, also vacated by Republicans. The lawyers swooped in, sued, and made him obey the state laws requiring elections. They were held today and Democrats flipped one more Senate seat (while the GOP held the open Assembly seat.)

Oh good! I'd forgotten to follow up on that story. Too bad Dems didn't grab both, but one is better than none.

hey JD, there is plenty of "cold war hysteria" extremely evident in US politics this week, and you don't hafta be a righty to see it.

like playing the Curtis LeMay card, old school hysterics.

Gee I really missed out by not wading into this bullshit

btw i brought up Maher as a joke; i do remember a clip of Greenwald confronting BM on his anti-Muslim shit.

as long as yer doing guilt by assoc, tho, look for another prez candidate who took vacations with motherfucking Kissinger. (part of being Most Qualified Ever i guess)

we know you're upset about not getting invited, but it was a long time ago. i've partied with henry, it was ok but you really didn't miss out on anything.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uyy0_7wMFk8/maxresdefault.jpg

god it's taking so long for him to die I feel like it won't even be fun when it happens (willing to be wrong though)

whatever happens with the Crowley/Ocasio-Cortez race you can't say she didn't go for the throat

3 years ago, @repjoecrowley accepted tons of money from luxury real estate developers and passed legislation to deregulate the industry nationwide.

Since then, median list price per sq ft on an NYC 2 br apartment has gone up *80%.* https://t.co/5X2nVWIoTO

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@Ocasio2018) June 12, 2018

god it's taking so long for him to die I feel like it won't even be fun when it happens (willing to be wrong though)

― Simon H., Wednesday, June 13, 2018

or when it happens to Kissinger.

lol

Looks like the Bernie Bros are still up to their old tricks... pic.twitter.com/bfKP1KqvZZ

— Carlgoyle Beijer (@CarlBeijer) June 13, 2018

But BLM protestors interrupted a Bernie Sanders speech one time!

Since black people are 95% democratic, those are really bad numbers for Sanders.

Also Simon, you're continued use of black people as props to show how great you're favorite politicians are is beginning to become pretty off-putting.

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Since black people are 95% democratic, those are really bad numbers for Sanders.

― Frederik B, Wednesday, June 13, 2018 4:33 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Um, what?

Actually, since it's safe to assume that basically all black voters who want candidates more like sanders are democrats, it's more like 47% of black democratic voters who actively want candidates more like sanders vs a mere 20% who want candidates less like sanders, with the other 33% presumably having no particular opinion one way or the other. Really struggling to see how that's bad for Sanders.

Sorry, a mere 20% AT BEST, since it's likely that at least some of the anti-Sanders camp are in the 5% of black voters that do not vote democrat at all.

Also Simon, you're continued use of black people as props to show how great you're favorite politicians are is beginning to become pretty off-putting.

― Frederik B, Wednesday, June 13, 2018 4:34 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Kind of like how you use them to bait people?

Also Simon, you're continued use of black people as props to show how great you're favorite politicians are is beginning to become pretty off-putting.

I don't so much care about Sanders (who I've said a bunch of times I don't think should run!) as I do the "white Bernie bro" narrative

I want serious material improvements for people and there are better chances of that happening if the major "liberal" party is forced to continually reckon with the fact that social-democratic reforms are popular