Democratic (Party) Direction

yglesias is great. lemieux, too

didn't know Nerdstrom was illiterate til now!

i never think about the Village Voice since they ended print. But yeah, anyone who knows all those pundits needs to read less.

xp this yglesias #longread from 2015 is so good https://www.vox.com/2015/3/2/8120063/american-democracy-doomed

Yglesias has improved somewhat but deserves at least some eternal suspicion for backing the Iraq war.

But GG does not, right?

Eternal suspicion of everyone is the way to go.

Oh GG absolutely deserves suspicion, but this idea he's some kind of Trump cheerleader is bizarre.

how about "useful idiot"

to reject any evaluation that Trump is the absolute worst at everything and has no precedent in any of his behavior in US history is to reveal one's collection of 300 MAGA caps

oh listen to motherfucking Schumer's latest "imagine meeting a dictator on equal terms" sound bite. Eat my ass, Schmuck. You *do* look like Roy Cohn too.

When someone goes on the racist talk show regularly to talk about why the president’s critics are bad and you haven’t written him off you kind of have to question how badly you want to see someone “own the libs” and why.

Yglesias has improved somewhat but deserves at least some eternal suspicion for backing the Iraq war.

― Simon H., Tuesday, June 12, 2018 4:49 PM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wasn't he like 18 years old at the time tho?

Greenwald went on Bill Maher? xp

As people were tweeting last night, the Dems and their lackeys sound exactly like the Repugs did when Obama went to that baseball game with Fidel.

GG's been on Maher's show several times

But think of the wonks who made their way into national publications from that blogosphere. People you would never have heard of but for that grassroots architecture. Scott Lemieux. Amanda Marcotte. Lindsay Beyerstein. Roxanne Cooper. Roy Edroso. Jessica Valenti. Matt Yglesias. Kevin Drum. They came from the bloggy swamps, and now they write for The American Prospect and Slate and Salon and Raw Story and In These Times and the Village Voice and Mother Jones and the Grauniad, I mean The Guardian; and Ezra Klein, for goodness’ sake.

I think he meant to say they emerged from the same political landscape, J.D., i.e. the netroots of the mid 2000s.

Netroots…there's a name I haven't heard in many years…

Greenwald went on Bill Maher? xp

― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, June 12, 2018 5:06 PM

GG's been on Maher's show several times

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, June 12, 2018 5:09 PM

Probably in reference to him being a regular on Tucker Carlson, but six of one...

Not a fan of Maher but I hope we realize Tucker is far far worse.

I used to think Carlson was cute when he was thinner and younger and looked less like an argyle sock with a dead penis sticking through it.

lol

now do bill maher

I don't care who goes on what show tbh. Lots of fine people have on on Maher. (tbc he really sucks and if he died it would be the first laugh he got out of me)

*gone on

I don't like GG palling around w Carlson but idgaf about people going on Fox in general, it's just a means to reach an audience

tbh it does matter if greenwald goes on tucker carlson to basically echo right-wing lines about the "deep state" and "cold war hysteria."

All things considered no one should be surprised he errs (heavily, at times) on the side of skepticism in such matters

lol @ the greenwald defenders

I don't even know why I care to speak up at all given I probably haven't read a full column of his in years, he just seems like the 500th most evil person in US media

That said I earnestly like most of the other intercept folks

Also Tucker does a lot of anti-immigration scare stories and a fountain of misinformation in general that you should not endorse by going on much less invite him on your own podcast.

I don't like GG palling around w Carlson but idgaf about people going on Fox in general, it's just a means to reach an audience

An audience of human garbage that no thinking person should want to reach, but sure.

That said I earnestly like most of the other intercept folks

Yeah, Lee Fang is a real treat.

i first encountered GG as the smart and clear-headed if admittedly long-winded dude who wrote long screeds for salon about civil liberties during the bush years. i thought he was valuable then and tbh he'd be valuable now, but instead we have the insufferable troll he gradually evolved into. i quit following him a while back but every time i check in the most recent 20 tweets or retweets are inevitably about how bad democrats are.

Oh sweet merciful jeebus how do you all keep track of who all these writerdroids are, which are okay to take seriously, and which are people where we reject everything they write merely because they wrote it?

I have been an actual professional journalist in our nation's capital and I can't keep track of who is acceptable to read and/or believe.

Please provide a database of the voices we can freely quote, those we can only quote with reservation, and those we can never refer to ever because they are double-plus-ungood. Thanks in advance.

i think Deez hosts such a directory YMP it should be available on their website

.nuts is surely an underrated domain

Ocasio seems good and it’s possible she’s not familiar w Greenwald beyond the boiler plate thing she quoted today but it’s a democratic primary which we can’t get mad if she loses after associating with the guy who has made it his new weird crusade to defend the fascist president at all costs.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, June 12, 2018 3:35 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The thing I find remarkable about concern-trolls is that they are always totally transparent, just like this post, fooling no one whatsoever, yet year after year the concern trolls continue their schtick, convinced each time they have subtly and cleverly ingratiated themselves to their intended audience like master spies, when in fact they are obvious fucking narcs.

Wahhh he said something bad about Glenn

i first encountered GG as the smart and clear-headed if admittedly long-winded dude who wrote long screeds for salon about civil liberties during the bush years. i thought he was valuable then and tbh he'd be valuable now, but instead we have the insufferable troll he gradually evolved into. i quit following him a while back but every time i check in the most recent 20 tweets or retweets are inevitably about how bad democrats are.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, June 12, 2018

exactly my response

Wahhh he said something bad about Glenn

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, June 12, 2018 8:45 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Greetings fellow progressives!"

man alive, check out Deez.nuts.com for help dealing with concern trolls

xp I honestly don't care that much about Glenn Greenwald. I don't follow him, I don't read him. I don't read the Intercept that often either, although I do sometimes listen to Scahill's podcast. I just think it's so fucking po-faced and cowardly to be like "Yeah Ocasio seems good, too bad she associated with this poisonous publication which is certain to doom her campaign." Just admit that she is too far left for you, it's fine. Just say what your problems are with HER, not with a publication she granted an interview to, which certainly has no more skeletons in its closet than the NYTimes, the Washington Post, the fucking Atlantic Monthly or any of the other sentinels of democracy in these dark times that I'm sure you credit. Except maybe it's really true that people like you don't have enough of a clearly thought out and coherent ideology to spell out what your problems are with her, she just represents this vague threat to your comfiness.

I honestly can't imagine what good anyone thinks glenn greenwald is doing. When you defend him, what exactly are you defending? What useful things does he have to say?

xpost oh you don't follow him you don't read him so what the fuck

Ocasio also did and interview with Deez.nuts, although i don’t think it will hurt her campaign odds

Who brought up Glenn Greenwald in the first place? I am talking about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, candidate for congress in NY-14.

yr last two posts, jesus

Every week the New York Times publishes Bret Fucking Stephens. The Atlantic Monthly hired Kevin Fucking Williamson. Would any of you try to discredit a politician for appearing in those publications?

I do like her. Amazing to me that the reaction to someone being conflicted is “he’s trying to trick me”. One is possibly locked into an intra-party bubble too much if they think liking that politician and disliking Glenn Greenwald is only possible as some sort of a psy-op

The New York Times is exactly like Fox News

Oh wait you were referring to Ocasio appearing in the Intercept not Glenn going on Fox. The Intercept has some good reporting, signal boosting Greenwald.

*signal boosting Greenwald is the problem imo not appearing in the Intercept