A bit off-topic, but a good enough place for this piece by K.T. Nelson on comedy in the Trump era
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/nekqvg/the-conservative-war-on-comedy-is-full-of-shit
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 8 June 2018 21:52 (six years ago) link
I love everything about this proposal for a conservative, Omaha-based Saturday Night Live rip-off https://t.co/4dNnE3BDtw pic.twitter.com/3o9lhsbUvl— Will Sommer (@willsommer) June 7, 2018
― mookieproof, Friday, 8 June 2018 23:15 (six years ago) link
My favorite things about that are (1) the "sketch ideas" are all either just sketch titles or maybe the *beginning* of a sketch idea with nothing further and (2) somehow a bunch of comedy writers and performers will just materialize in omaha, along with all of the crew needed to produce a high-quality television show. Well thought out
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Saturday, 9 June 2018 01:56 (six years ago) link
I think they first need to create a conservative UCB and Groundlings from which to snatch up and coming wingnut comic performers. It will take maybe 3 months if they are motivated.
― President Keyes, Saturday, 9 June 2018 02:57 (six years ago) link
That whole thing is itself a perfect SNL sketch about beleaguered right wingers trying to create their own late night comedy show.
― Eliza D., Saturday, 9 June 2018 12:37 (six years ago) link
My favorite things about that are (1) the "sketch ideas" are all either just sketch titles or maybe the *beginning* of a sketch idea with nothing further
yes its a SNL copy
― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Saturday, 9 June 2018 15:46 (six years ago) link
Oh joy, Jonathan Haidt has gotten worse, and has apparently doubled-down on fetishized reasonableness against all else
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/sep/20/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind-review
The point of the style is to signal the distance between the authors and the partisans of identity who are too emotional to think clearly. The fact that Lukianoff and Haidt claim the authority to police discourse becomes clear the first time they discuss the role “overreaction from the right” has played in recent campus wars – at least halfway through the book. They quote death threats that Princeton professor Keeanga Yamahtta-Taylor received in 2017, including “lynching and having the bullet from a .44 Magnum” put in her head. “One might conclude,” Lukianoff and Haidt write, that if she and two other professors who received such threats “had spoken in a more deliberative style, befitting a professor, they would have had no trouble”.
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 20 September 2018 14:52 (six years ago) link
fetished reasonableness is actually an innate foundational human value
― ogmor, Thursday, 20 September 2018 15:11 (six years ago) link
a-a-and some ELBOW PATCH jackets too!!
― j., Thursday, 20 September 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
if she and two other professors who received such threats “had spoken in a more deliberative style, befitting a professor, they would have had no trouble”.
Objection! Assumes facts not in evidence, your honor.
The assumption here is that the anger directed at these professors was grounded not in a violent disagreement with their positions, but was merely an overreaction to the tone in which they were presented. Observation of current political discourse will quickly uncover thousands of examples which contradict this assumption.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 20 September 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/anthony-ekundayo-lennon-black-white-theatre-director-job-people-of-colour-actor-artist-tawala-a8617011.html
In which a new Dolezal contender emerges.
― Bimlo Horsewagon became Wheelbarrow Horseflesh (aldo), Monday, 5 November 2018 16:19 (five years ago) link
My best friend's daughter attends the preeminent NYC arts high school. Let's call it Fame HS.
The big musical production opening tomorrow is The Sound of Music. What has the new principal decreed? I guessed.
No swastikas.
...
But yeah, liberal fascist thought-policing is just a delusion on the part of ol' Dr Morbius.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 December 2018 02:17 (five years ago) link
(for those who don't know, the show takes place in 1930s Austria, and the Nazis are the villains)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 December 2018 02:19 (five years ago) link
What about armbands with two thick black Xs instead?
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 7 December 2018 22:48 (five years ago) link
It's just not TSOM without the swastikas, is it? For me they are absolutely key to its enduring appeal.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:05 (five years ago) link
So the Von Trapps decide to flee what? Austrian Grinches?
― I Accept the Word of Santa (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:20 (five years ago) link
I mean Liberal-fascist thought-policing is kind of a delusion, it would be more reasonable to say "there's a cadre of well-meaning idiots in the world" and they've always been with us
― I Accept the Word of Santa (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:23 (five years ago) link
Should be "well"-meaning but too many quotation marks
― I Accept the Word of Santa (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:24 (five years ago) link
I can’t believe you are defending these people who changed a play so it wouldn’t stigmatize Nazis.
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 December 2018 23:27 (five years ago) link
the chances that that was their motivation as basically zero
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:29 (five years ago) link
lol
― Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 December 2018 23:30 (five years ago) link
Perhaps it would be helpful to change it completely because I don't want to support nazis but otoh by the end of TSOM I am sort of rooting for anyone who can stop the Von Trapps continuing to sing and they are in the best position to make that happen.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:34 (five years ago) link
xp. damn it, i thought you were being earnest, that's your MO
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:36 (five years ago) link
If you hate TSoM you *are* the Nazis basically
― I Accept the Word of Santa (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:36 (five years ago) link
This sounds a bit silly.
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:43 (five years ago) link
This sounds fine with me. I don't really need the Nazis in The Sound of Music to have authentic period uniforms for me to know they're Nazis.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 8 December 2018 04:11 (five years ago) link
yes, plus TRIGGERS! OOOH, TRIGGGERSSSSSSSS
sensssssssitivity > history
pick a different fucking play
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 8 December 2018 06:52 (five years ago) link
I understand instead of goose-stepping, they'll be popping and locking
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 8 December 2018 06:53 (five years ago) link
*'knuck if you buck' plays* smile if you heil
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 8 December 2018 07:16 (five years ago) link
lollll
― j., Saturday, 8 December 2018 07:36 (five years ago) link
:D that's gonna be stuck in my head all day
― I Accept the Word of Santa (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 8 December 2018 09:36 (five years ago) link
this is fucking wild, and I imagine many around these parts are familiar with Clover (he wrote for Spin in the 90s, right?)
THREAD: I'm on record as saying that there are a lot of sincere and principled people working the campus politics/free speech beat, but lately I've grown much more cynical about the entire thing. I'd like to give you an example of why.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 18 March 2019 18:16 (five years ago) link
and he did the Sugar High blog
that's nuts
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Monday, 18 March 2019 18:31 (five years ago) link
there are lots of examples of hypocrisy re free speech but i'm not sure this is one. would anyone get away with calling for a the murder of minorities even as a joke? it's obviously a different character of offense than what normally makes the "free speech on college campus" beat rounds.
― Mordy, Monday, 18 March 2019 18:33 (five years ago) link
I agree. I kinda doubt the left is going to rally around him since white guys talking about killing a bunch of people are not a popular groups nowadays
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Monday, 18 March 2019 18:44 (five years ago) link
― Mordy, Monday, March 18, 2019 2:33 PM (thirteen minutes ago)
the police are not a protected class
I'm also not really outraged or anything, seems like the only people who care about this are republicans, let them wear themselves out and if he gets fired I'll be mad
― k3vin k., Monday, 18 March 2019 18:49 (five years ago) link
i don't see why they're being a protected class or not has to do with anything and i don't think clover should lose his job. but i don't think it's some terrible hypocrisy that the right is going after this guy for calling for police to be killed while defending right wingers for less dramatic statements. if you can show me right wing media rallying around someone calling for anyone to be killed (protected class or not) as a free speech issue then i'd agree w/ the original tweeter's conceit.
― Mordy, Monday, 18 March 2019 18:54 (five years ago) link
the point of free speech is that it's supposed to not be dependent upon the content of the speech, so calling for his head for this speech while defending other speech is kind of by definition hypocritical
I think maybe we agree broadly that there is a lot of cherry-picking that goes on whenever people write these sorts of "why isn't anyone paying aTtEnTiOn to tHiS" pieces. often there are people 'talking about it' that the writer chooses not to highlight. also, not every example is interesting or worth writing about (this one prob is tho!)
sorry just talking to myself now
― k3vin k., Monday, 18 March 2019 18:59 (five years ago) link
You guys are right on the question of the will to defend Clover, but of course it's hypocrisy. Sure, swapping in "minorities" for cops makes it seem real bad, but how about: “People think that terrorists need to be reformed. They need to be killed.”
― rob, Monday, 18 March 2019 19:04 (five years ago) link
bad analogy. people talk about killing terrorists all the time
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 18 March 2019 19:06 (five years ago) link
At first I read that as 'People that think terrorists need to be reformed should be killed.'
― pomenitul, Monday, 18 March 2019 19:08 (five years ago) link
xpost that is exactly my point? If a professor were fired for saying that about terrorists, right-wing "free speech" advocates would obviously be outraged. I don't see any difference in 1A terms.
― rob, Monday, 18 March 2019 19:11 (five years ago) link
"terrorists should be killed" isn't quite the same since "terrorist" is essentially synonymous with "bad guy," but if they said, "liberals should be killed," i imagine there'd be a good chance they'd be fired and a small chance republicans would try to defend it as protected speech.
― Mordy, Monday, 18 March 2019 19:14 (five years ago) link
even tho both "cops should be killed" and "liberals should be killed" should both be protected speech and also both should be protected vis-a-vis academic freedom. but the hypocrisy charge in general is a lazy one and here seems particularly dumb to me.
― Mordy, Monday, 18 March 2019 19:15 (five years ago) link
Mordy, my dude -- there's a conservative provocateur who literally called for gunning down journalists
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/06/28/milo-yiannopoulos-confirms-his-gunning-down-journalists-comments/743561002/
and who SPECIALIZES in showing up on college campuses and complaining that his free speech is being shut down by liberals, including a few months ago at NYU:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/students-call-nyu-cancel-milo-yiannopoulos-lecture-181030170250806.html
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 18 March 2019 19:27 (five years ago) link
The professor who invited him to talk has the Twitter handle "antipcnyuprof" for the love of God
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 18 March 2019 19:28 (five years ago) link
I still don't get why this doesn't count as hypocrisy, but I would def agree that hypocrisy is an ineffective line of attack
― rob, Monday, 18 March 2019 19:32 (five years ago) link
I mean here is Ann Coulter's famous quote on the Muslim world and she, too, is someone college students are widely counseled to welcome to their campuses lest they deprive themselves of the benefit of exposure to her ideas:
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 18 March 2019 19:33 (five years ago) link
tbc they're gross + often hypocritical but also milo and coulter have both lost jobs bc of their comments
― Mordy, Monday, 18 March 2019 19:34 (five years ago) link
Free speech, in the "anti-PC get over it snowflakes" sense, has ALWAYS included "speakers have the right to advocate the killing of disfavored classes of people and if you don't like it you should argue against it in the marketplace of ideas." ALWAYS.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 18 March 2019 19:36 (five years ago) link