https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLIP0ZtoiO4
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 23:26 (five years ago) link
Happy doomsday everyone. (I voted, obv)
― Simon H., Thursday, 7 June 2018 15:31 (five years ago) link
good luck ontario (but we're all fukt)
― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Thursday, 7 June 2018 16:26 (five years ago) link
Let's get this over with.
― jmm, Friday, 8 June 2018 01:04 (five years ago) link
Seriously.
― Simon H., Friday, 8 June 2018 01:10 (five years ago) link
CBC calling it for the PC. This is happening fast.
― jmm, Friday, 8 June 2018 01:15 (five years ago) link
Fuck.
― Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Friday, 8 June 2018 01:15 (five years ago) link
Congrats Ontario, you are officially as stupid as America.
― Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Friday, 8 June 2018 01:17 (five years ago) link
Not even close.
― clemenza, Friday, 8 June 2018 01:22 (five years ago) link
Well, at least it was over fast.
― Simon H., Friday, 8 June 2018 01:24 (five years ago) link
Fuck this country.
― Simon H., Friday, 8 June 2018 01:31 (five years ago) link
hey hey we didn’t all elect Ford
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 8 June 2018 01:42 (five years ago) link
If it's any comfort, Quebec will soon follow suit by electing Legault so we can all be morons together, a fucking gaggle of them, all over the continent.
― pomenitul, Friday, 8 June 2018 01:44 (five years ago) link
A majority government, though. For fuck's sake.
― pomenitul, Friday, 8 June 2018 01:45 (five years ago) link
I hope Ford finds a way to keep his campaign song around. "F-o-o-o-r-r-r-r the people..." It was just so catchy.
― clemenza, Friday, 8 June 2018 01:50 (five years ago) link
Pom... give me my few months left.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 8 June 2018 01:52 (five years ago) link
Torch the goddamn suburbs.
― Simon H., Friday, 8 June 2018 01:53 (five years ago) link
Apparent low youth turnout, which is especially unsurprising in this election.
― Simon H., Friday, 8 June 2018 01:58 (five years ago) link
Can't argue with that. Preemptively, in our case.
And sorry VHS, it's just that I think the cue to abandon all hope was the most humane part of the Inferno.
xp
― pomenitul, Friday, 8 June 2018 01:59 (five years ago) link
Youth deserves the bullshit happening to them imo
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 8 June 2018 01:59 (five years ago) link
I don't agree.
― Simon H., Friday, 8 June 2018 02:00 (five years ago) link
If they don’t vote, it’s really on them.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 8 June 2018 02:01 (five years ago) link
If they don't vote, the strategies to make clear to them that there are in fact political solutions to problems they face clearly aren't working. I'm not interested in blaming them for thinking all the establishment parties are full of shit or not capable of acting in their interest. That gets us nowhere.
― Simon H., Friday, 8 June 2018 02:04 (five years ago) link
the provincial NDP are still seen by so many as a joke option and while they've made clear gains, a lot more work needs to be done to build their credibility.
― Simon H., Friday, 8 June 2018 02:07 (five years ago) link
I heard so many anecdotes from friends of people saying "really??" when they announced they were voting NDP. I heard the same from my own father. They're going to need to be a relentless, principled, and bold opposition for the entirety of Ford's term, and they're going to get little to no media support while they're at it.
― Simon H., Friday, 8 June 2018 02:09 (five years ago) link
I had precious little notion of where I stood politically in my late teens and early 20s so I feel for their disarray. If anything, it's the 'elderly' who should know better.
― pomenitul, Friday, 8 June 2018 02:09 (five years ago) link
it's really frustrating that the NDP had a real albeit difficult path to victory this election
― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Friday, 8 June 2018 02:09 (five years ago) link
Well it's a chicken and egg situation really, but so far I do have a cliché picture in my head of a bunch of old conservative laughing in unison at the idea of 'the youth vote' while racking the suburbs. The problems they face won't solve themselves without voting for parties who have their interest at heart.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 8 June 2018 02:10 (five years ago) link
in BC I only know a couple people who grew up supporting the Liberals, they're not a party people feel a bond with. I've realized in the last few election cycles that in Ontario very few people grow up NDP.
― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Friday, 8 June 2018 02:12 (five years ago) link
I mean elections cycles in Canada are really: Liberals get elected for a long time, people grow to hate them, they vote PC, realize their mistakes, vote Liberal a few years later and feel good about themselves until ... etc.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 8 June 2018 02:14 (five years ago) link
NDP vote shares in the last three elections, in reverse chronological order: 22%, 16%, 16%. This time: looking like about 34%.
― Simon H., Friday, 8 June 2018 02:15 (five years ago) link
some interesting data for ontario
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ontario-election-results-2018-a-map-of-the-live-results/
― F# A# (∞), Friday, 8 June 2018 02:16 (five years ago) link
Howarth has done a good job building the base and recognizing that they do better when they run on a more distinctly left platform from the Liberals, but I'd like to see Ashton or someone similarly tough there to go after Ford.
― Simon H., Friday, 8 June 2018 02:17 (five years ago) link
Also, ffs first past the post needs to not exist anymore.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 8 June 2018 02:18 (five years ago) link
That goes without saying.
― Simon H., Friday, 8 June 2018 02:19 (five years ago) link
we're trying!
― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Friday, 8 June 2018 02:20 (five years ago) link
.@fordnation, the son of an MPP, will have a caucus with the sons of two premiers, the daughter of a prime minister, and the son of another MPP. #onpoli— Robert Benzie (@robertbenzie) June 8, 2018
― Simon H., Friday, 8 June 2018 02:22 (five years ago) link
Thread title sickeningly prophetic.
― Simon H., Friday, 8 June 2018 02:25 (five years ago) link
Man, just when I move back too.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 8 June 2018 03:15 (five years ago) link
Are you in Sarnia, Sund4r?
― Scape: Goat-fired like a dog! (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 8 June 2018 03:22 (five years ago) link
Ottawa. I've never lived in Sarnia but I lived in Windsor (a real Dipper town) from 08-11.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 8 June 2018 03:33 (five years ago) link
Wrt symsymsym's point above, I've heard it said in broad terms that London, ON, is the dividing line: if you go west, the NDP becomes the main alternative to the Tories, at least federally; east of there, it's the Libs. The Liberal Party is practically a mythic force along the Laurentian corridor.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 8 June 2018 03:40 (five years ago) link
Woah the Libs have been in power for 15 years.
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 8 June 2018 03:47 (five years ago) link
so i was this watching this disaster unfold at a local pub - and there's three old white dudes sitting next to our table who were just the fucking worst. i wanted to punch one of them. on Gurratan Singh: "He's a terrorist, you know... look – he's a Sikh. They're all terrorists". my friend and i made it painfully obvious we had stopped what we were doing to glare at this guy. another dude was apparently running as a libertarian in some other riding, who managed to get ~120 votes (good for him, seriously). he was talking loudly about what a great "man of the people" doug is - because he dropped out of school to work at the family biz and wasn't some educated "elite". like everyone out there inherits a house, a million dollar family business and extensive political connections - never has to do a job interview or worry about money. ugh.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 8 June 2018 04:17 (five years ago) link
sorry dudes
― mookieproof, Friday, 8 June 2018 04:57 (five years ago) link
The election results feel a bit like class warfare (especially when I quit a good job to come back here to care for a disabled spouse). The riding map is interesting: the NDP's coalition is the mix of working class/FN mix in Northern Ontario + the urban core of most big cities, with the PCs taking the suburbs, cottage country, and rural ridings. I'm thinking that the most fruitful angle for the NDP might actually be to leave the suburbs for the Tories and Grits and try to target lower income rural voters.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 9 June 2018 01:02 (five years ago) link
On the class war tip: http://www.nsnews.com/news/west-vancouverites-revolt-as-school-tax-looms-1.23330273
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 10 June 2018 22:51 (five years ago) link
breaking out my tiniest violin
― Simon H., Sunday, 10 June 2018 22:55 (five years ago) link
Pavlov suggested that overall tax increases are hurting affordability.“If you’re a buyer, the fact that the home price is cheaper does nothing to help you.”Fellow panellist Seain Conover concurred, addressing the argument that homeowners were only being asked to pay “a little bit” more.“That’s a very disingenuous argument because when you pile on a whole bunch of expenses to an asset, the asset becomes less desirable,” he said.
Some great lessons in economics right there
― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Sunday, 10 June 2018 23:33 (five years ago) link
a friend of mine made this:
It's @swanson4council and her big box of Jeanex for mansion owners complaining about higher taxes #vanpoli #bcpoli pic.twitter.com/QU9KIPuiiN— Michal Rozworski (@michalrozworski) June 9, 2018
― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Sunday, 10 June 2018 23:35 (five years ago) link