Dynasty, s3: Canadian Politics 2018

And in the gloom column:

We will be putting out final numbers later today . We are still in field and reserving option of going till 9 but everything seems pretty frozen right now . Barring some shocking late shift or turnout skew this is going to be a Conservative majority .

— Frank Graves (@VoiceOfFranky) June 6, 2018

fuuuuuuuuuck

in the lol dept:

According to the sources, Trudeau pressed Trump on how he could justify the tariffs as a "national security" issue. In response, Trump quipped to Trudeau, "Didn't you guys burn down the White House?" referring to the War of 1812.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/06/politics/war-of-1812-donald-trump-justin-trudeau-tariff/

just thinking of ways i'd answer that if i were trudeau, and i'm getting so many lols

https://open.spotify.com/track/7EcLeCDAzau3QdCnsmT4R4?si=VoQ3R1z8S5i7gSCxS5mYMg

I mean, it's not terrible as a joke and probably the height of wit by Trump's standards.

(It's not really "erroneous" imo.)

"don -- can we narrow it down to the last oh i dunno decade? century? cool?"

Ha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLIP0ZtoiO4

Happy doomsday everyone. (I voted, obv)

good luck ontario (but we're all fukt)

Let's get this over with.

Seriously.

CBC calling it for the PC. This is happening fast.

Fuck.

Congrats Ontario, you are officially as stupid as America.

Not even close.

Well, at least it was over fast.

Fuck this country.

hey hey we didn’t all elect Ford

If it's any comfort, Quebec will soon follow suit by electing Legault so we can all be morons together, a fucking gaggle of them, all over the continent.

A majority government, though. For fuck's sake.

I hope Ford finds a way to keep his campaign song around. "F-o-o-o-r-r-r-r the people..." It was just so catchy.

Pom... give me my few months left.

Torch the goddamn suburbs.

Apparent low youth turnout, which is especially unsurprising in this election.

Can't argue with that. Preemptively, in our case.

And sorry VHS, it's just that I think the cue to abandon all hope was the most humane part of the Inferno.

xp

Youth deserves the bullshit happening to them imo

I don't agree.

If they don’t vote, it’s really on them.

If they don't vote, the strategies to make clear to them that there are in fact political solutions to problems they face clearly aren't working. I'm not interested in blaming them for thinking all the establishment parties are full of shit or not capable of acting in their interest. That gets us nowhere.

the provincial NDP are still seen by so many as a joke option and while they've made clear gains, a lot more work needs to be done to build their credibility.

I heard so many anecdotes from friends of people saying "really??" when they announced they were voting NDP. I heard the same from my own father. They're going to need to be a relentless, principled, and bold opposition for the entirety of Ford's term, and they're going to get little to no media support while they're at it.

I had precious little notion of where I stood politically in my late teens and early 20s so I feel for their disarray. If anything, it's the 'elderly' who should know better.

it's really frustrating that the NDP had a real albeit difficult path to victory this election

Well it's a chicken and egg situation really, but so far I do have a cliché picture in my head of a bunch of old conservative laughing in unison at the idea of 'the youth vote' while racking the suburbs. The problems they face won't solve themselves without voting for parties who have their interest at heart.

in BC I only know a couple people who grew up supporting the Liberals, they're not a party people feel a bond with. I've realized in the last few election cycles that in Ontario very few people grow up NDP.

I mean elections cycles in Canada are really: Liberals get elected for a long time, people grow to hate them, they vote PC, realize their mistakes, vote Liberal a few years later and feel good about themselves until ... etc.

NDP vote shares in the last three elections, in reverse chronological order: 22%, 16%, 16%. This time: looking like about 34%.

some interesting data for ontario

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ontario-election-results-2018-a-map-of-the-live-results/

Howarth has done a good job building the base and recognizing that they do better when they run on a more distinctly left platform from the Liberals, but I'd like to see Ashton or someone similarly tough there to go after Ford.

Also, ffs first past the post needs to not exist anymore.

That goes without saying.

we're trying!

.@fordnation, the son of an MPP, will have a caucus with the sons of two premiers, the daughter of a prime minister, and the son of another MPP. #onpoli

— Robert Benzie (@robertbenzie) June 8, 2018

Thread title sickeningly prophetic.

Man, just when I move back too.

Are you in Sarnia, Sund4r?

Ottawa. I've never lived in Sarnia but I lived in Windsor (a real Dipper town) from 08-11.

Wrt symsymsym's point above, I've heard it said in broad terms that London, ON, is the dividing line: if you go west, the NDP becomes the main alternative to the Tories, at least federally; east of there, it's the Libs. The Liberal Party is practically a mythic force along the Laurentian corridor.