eh if the economy stays "strong", or even if it takes a hit following Dems taking back House or maybe Senate, allowing the GOP/ Trump/ complicit MSM to effectively place blame on them, i could easily see Trump winning again in 2020. this is who we are now.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 2 June 2018 14:49 (six years ago) link
Although hey if your miserable fantasies come true you won’t have me to kick around any more, that’s for fucking sure.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 2 June 2018 14:49 (six years ago) link
Fuck off, he lost by 3 points, you idiots.
Killfiled
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 2 June 2018 14:51 (six years ago) link
Here's the thing: how adversely have the lives of most Americans been affected by a Trump presidency at this point? People have become largely inured to the notion of corrupt politicians. They're all crooks, this is what they do, etc. If the actual lives and livelihoods of a significant number of citizens don't appreciably degrade over the next two and a half years, and in a way that is somehow easily attributable to Trump, I honestly don't know if Trump's status as one of the worst living humans is going to be enough to persuade people to rock the boat. Particularly if the Democrats don't offer a compelling alternative (and even more particularly if they think harping on Trump's awfulness should be a significant part of their messaging). I won't be surprised if a lot of right-leaning never-Trumpers hold their nose a second time. Because just like all of the GOP POS-es in Congress, they know that maintaining their control is about more than the paramecium-in-chief.
Clearly, I don't want Trump's reelection to happen (I will be leaving the country if it does), and I don't think it'll happen, but if he even survives that long (which is a super big if), I don't think his loss will be as decisive a rout as we might prefer.
― On the Wingers of Love: The Kip & Debra Story (Old Lunch), Saturday, 2 June 2018 18:08 (six years ago) link
FYI, it makes me almost physically ill to acknowledge pretty much any of that. But my blind optimism is pretty much depleted at this point.
― On the Wingers of Love: The Kip & Debra Story (Old Lunch), Saturday, 2 June 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link
how adversely have the lives of most Americans been affected by a Trump presidency at this point?
Having Republicans in charge of health care law and policy has already adversely affected large numbers of people and the repeal of the individual mandate will drive insurance premiums sky high next year. Trump's new tariffs will adversely affect many more. A lot of these affected people live in rural America. It will interesting to see how tribal loyalty withstands such direct hits.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 2 June 2018 18:25 (six years ago) link
the appointing of SCJ Gorsuch & the other lifetime-term federal district court judges may have a much more lasting effect on us than any straight policy tbqh.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 2 June 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link
I do want to stress that I was talking about Trump's perceived real-world impact in the present moment. I do think things will get a lot worse for a lot of American citizens over the next couple of years. It remains to be seen to what extent people hold Trump responsible (when we all know that it's really the fault of Clinton and Obama and Soros and CNN and the monster under the bed and spirit cooking and fluoridated water).
― On the Wingers of Love: The Kip & Debra Story (Old Lunch), Saturday, 2 June 2018 18:44 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/NakXoLE.jpg
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Saturday, 2 June 2018 18:46 (six years ago) link
Here's the thing: how adversely have the lives of most Americans been affected by a Trump presidency at this point?
― On the Wingers of Love: The Kip & Debra Story (Old Lunch)
god jesus, what on earth is your bar for "adversely affected"? i mean, even if you're one of the approximately 40% of americans who are literally cartoon dogs in burning rooms - roseanne got her show cancelled! do you know what sort of a catastrophe that is?
also, anybody who is seriously speculating about the president being re-elected is catastrophizing and needs to talk to a therapist instead of trying to exacerbate the problem on internet message boards.
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 2 June 2018 18:47 (six years ago) link
WASHINGTON — President Trump’s lawyers have for months quietly waged a campaign to keep the special counsel from trying to force him to answer questions in the investigation into whether he obstructed justice, asserting that he cannot be compelled to testify and arguing in a confidential letter that he could not possibly have committed obstruction because he has unfettered authority over all federal investigations.ahahahaaaahshisbdinsnjajhttps://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/02/us/politics/trump-lawyers-memo-mueller-subpoena.html
― maura, Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:02 (six years ago) link
“Ensuring that the office remains sacred and above the fray of shifting political winds and gamesmanship is of critical importance,” they wrote.ahahahahhahahsboobsbosboabaobanbdobdonrono
― maura, Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:04 (six years ago) link
I feel like the safest bet is to begin from the assumption that Trump absolutely could be reelected and then figure out how to prevent that from occurring. Telling ourselves that it couldn't possibly happen in a million years proved to be pretty ineffectual the last time around.
― On the Wingers of Love: The Kip & Debra Story (Old Lunch), Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link
It's the absolute last goddamn thing in the world that I want to seriously consider, trust me, but if no one who's opposed to that outcome wants to confront the possibility, it feels like we're opening ourselves up to a very rude shock. History is replete with things that could never ever happen but that happened anyway.
― On the Wingers of Love: The Kip & Debra Story (Old Lunch), Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
Only one president in the last thirty years has lost re-election, so, yes, assume history is on his side and work to thwart it.
or, as OL said.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:49 (six years ago) link
is it possible that we've all been misunderstanding trump this entire time?
when he says "NO OBSTRUCTION" we've all been taking it for granted that he's implying "...on my part"
but really what he means is "...because it doesn't exist, conceptually, for a president"
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:50 (six years ago) link
Only one president in the last thirty years has lost re-election, so, yes, assume history is on his side and work to thwart it. or, as OL said.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:03 (six years ago) link
tbf tho no president with polling data available has had this sustain level of lower approval ratings
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:22 (six years ago) link
The distinction between "hope for the best, prepare for the worst" and "the american people deserve this guy, after all, we elected him he won the electoral college" is an important one to me. and yeah anybody who sounds like they're taking the latter position is catastrophizing.
Blaming the dems for running a sad sack with a shitty message in 2020 when we haven't even made it through the midterms is also pathetic self-flagellating crap.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:23 (six years ago) link
not blaming the dems, just preparing for the worst. and I fall into the former camp - not fatalistic, but I remember how crushed & shocked I was when Bush was re-elected when I never even considered the possibility. I’d say Trump is less likely than Bush to be re-elected, but who knows. It’s too early to say anyway
― flappy bird, Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:31 (six years ago) link
Blaming the dems for running a sad sack with a shitty message in 2020 when we haven't even made it through the midterms is also pathetic self-flagellating crap.I want them to do better! But it doesn’t look like they learned anything from 2016. I hope they do soon
― flappy bird, Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:34 (six years ago) link
I don't want to have this discussion again, but we had ample evidence that Bush II would win a close re-election. Trump surprised me.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:34 (six years ago) link
flappy, go use the pool! It's a beautiful day in most of the country.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:35 (six years ago) link
It’s about to torrentially rain where I am. I could actually just go outside, it’ll be like going to the pool
― flappy bird, Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:36 (six years ago) link
See? You're already looking at the bright side.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:37 (six years ago) link
it's swimtime in the USA
https://i.imgur.com/GrQdXnp.jpg
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Saturday, 2 June 2018 20:54 (six years ago) link
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone)
right, yes, yes, "when the president does it it's not illegal", we've been through this, can we skip directly to the part where you resign in disgrace please
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 2 June 2018 21:22 (six years ago) link
― flappy bird
if it's too early to say, why on earth are you spending your valuable headspace speculating about what might or might not happen in 2020?
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 2 June 2018 21:27 (six years ago) link
Font aficionados will be interested to know that the letterhead on John Dowd’s letter to Mueller was written in Comic Sans. https://t.co/SlisOfxwxj— Amy Fiscus (@amyfiscus) June 2, 2018
― maura, Saturday, 2 June 2018 22:01 (six years ago) link
oh jesus christ is nothing sacred
― capybaras are friend shaped (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 2 June 2018 22:10 (six years ago) link
just to satisfy Tom, as with W, he'll win a pop majority next time
hell Biden could be the new Kerry
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 3 June 2018 01:34 (six years ago) link
honestly if Biden somehow ran and won it might do even more harm in the long run don't @ me
― Simon H., Sunday, 3 June 2018 01:59 (six years ago) link
You guys are fucking morons
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 3 June 2018 02:11 (six years ago) link
hahahahahaha te amo tomboto
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Sunday, 3 June 2018 02:16 (six years ago) link
(FWIW I don't think even the Dem establishment is dumb enough to run Biden anyway)
― Simon H., Sunday, 3 June 2018 02:24 (six years ago) link
well, unlike Simon or the Eagles, i don't believe in a long run
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 3 June 2018 02:33 (six years ago) link
Simon.....how?
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 3 June 2018 02:38 (six years ago) link
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, June 2, 2018 5:27 PM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
im twisted
― flappy bird, Sunday, 3 June 2018 03:45 (six years ago) link
The guys online I get all my news filtered though said that Dems are running midterm campaigns based exclusively on (get this) “Russia hysteria and Hamilton references” now clearly they have not learned the lessons that I have learned from 2016.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Sunday, 3 June 2018 04:47 (six years ago) link
You know what Keynes said about the long run
― valorous wokelord (silby), Sunday, 3 June 2018 04:48 (six years ago) link
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― you bet, nancy (map), Sunday, 3 June 2018 04:56 (six years ago) link
silby v otm
― Hunt3r, Sunday, 3 June 2018 06:35 (six years ago) link
Only one president in the last thirty years has lost re-election
So, one in four.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 3 June 2018 09:00 (six years ago) link
One in five, surely :)
― Frederik B, Sunday, 3 June 2018 11:17 (six years ago) link
― Simon H., Saturday, June 2, 2018 9:59 PM
otm. Biden will appoint SCOTUS justices and federal judges that believe in limiting class action law suits and reproductive rights. He'll sign dangerous executive orders that will allow administrators to bypass Obama federal regulations, and appoint Cabinet secretaries like Scott Pruitt. We gotta stop this dreadful thing from happening.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 3 June 2018 11:17 (six years ago) link
No, wait, you're right! God dammit, it's supposed to be 'one president in thirty-eight years'
― Frederik B, Sunday, 3 June 2018 11:18 (six years ago) link
personally i don't see how the democrats will ever unseat trump if they stick to their sinister conspiracy to run a manchin/lieberman ticket in 2020
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Sunday, 3 June 2018 11:40 (six years ago) link
Would thi8nk that anything that might go towards making possible Democratic voters stay home was a positive for teh Republicans and therefore something to be avoided. Hoping that the pattern from elections throughout the year so far might carry over to the mid terms but think they do need more fo a reason to vote for Democrats rather than vote against Republicans because just abstaining is a factor that seems to have contributed heavily to 2016.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 3 June 2018 11:49 (six years ago) link
Clinton/Lieberman is what I've heard. The slogan will be 'Told you so you fucking idiots, now what are you going to do?' although Clinton worries it's too long.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 3 June 2018 11:49 (six years ago) link