Damon Lindelof's Watchmen

Ah, is there any more solid argument technique than simple gainsaying?

well we're down to taste (since Simon rejects any ethical arguments about what's being done here) and Simon's taste is terrible, how else should I argue it?

Simon's argument is essentially "sometimes remakes are good, and I like Lindelof's latest project. Ergo, this most recent project of his (which exists solely for the crassest and most cynical of economic reasons) has a reasonable chance of success at being something I might enjoy, therefore it should be made"

The only thing to argue with there is his estimation of the likelihood that he will enjoy it. And he probably will enjoy it! I probably won't. And I object to it being made at all on the grounds that sic has laid out.

I would likewise argue that the ratio of good:bad remakes is slanted much more towards the latter than he would admit (all I can think of is the Fly and the Thing at the moment), but again this is a matter of taste.

Lots of remakes are bad! IIRC most "new" movies are also completely terrible (and nearly as derivative).

xpost Body Snatchers

But yes, that trinity of horror remakes, basically. If you can't do what they did, maybe don't bother.

ooh yeah Body Snatchers is def good. idk if it's better than the original (which is also great) but it's close.

The wild success of Disney's live-action carbon copies of its animated library is like the most dispiriting thing. Shit's just gonna get grosser now that they've figured out just how little effort they need to exert.

I can safely say even if this is terrible it will not be a carbon copy.

But anyway ultimately this whole stupid argument rests on the fact that you either think Lindelof can pull off something interesting with this or you don't. I'd be curious to know if anyone watched Leftovers but still thinks this is a hopeless prospect.

I did not but I do.

:)

I'm sorry he hurt you.

It's been a difficult recovery but the sun is on the horizon.

If nothing else I'm always happy to find someone else who thinks Fargo the series stinks.

U should check out the second season because I also thought the first kinda stunk but was pleasantly surprised by the reprise.

I thought the second season was worse lol

But I would consider watching the third purely because Carrie Coon was so incredible on....yes...The Leftovers

uhhhhhhhh http://www.slashfilm.com/watchmen-set-photos-new/

Wow, first I was shocked, though I shouldn't have been, that anyone didn't like Mr. Show. Now I am shocked to learn that people didn't like any of those three seasons of Fargo, which were all I thought very different and all equally exemplary.

Though, yeah, season two and three were my favorite.

They're kinda spoilery if anyone cares about that sort of thing but the implications in those set pics seem fine to me lol

my main issue with Fargo is that it feels like Hawley treads pretty much the same thematic ground as various Coens films (not just Fargo), only with less wit or economy

Economy, maybe - in total each season is obviously longer than any movie - but I thought the elliptical relationship between the first two seasons was pretty awesome, and the science fiction elements that crop up pretty novel. And I think the casting and acting across the board is pretty top-notch, considering all the goofy accents.

Yeah, if you dislike the Fargo show because it's too much like the Coens you might be disliking it wrong.

that's not exactly it but I don't really care enough either way to eludicate further, I find Hawley's stuff too schematic and overly pleased with itself

FWIW I couldn't get into Legion for that reason. Just think Fargo is A+ peak TV, everything I want from a series.

‘too schematic and overly pleased with itself’ would probably be my main criticism of the watchmen comic nowadays, ironically enough

I will agree in retrospect that it was a misstep for the last panel to feature a smug portrait of Moore with arms crossed asking, 'Do you see?' (he should've gone with 'You're welcome' imo).

Watchmen is a very self-confident piece of work, but I think "pleased with itself" is unfair, if only for comparison's sake with From Hell, Providence, and the later series of LOEG, which are all super-smug works of art (even though I like From Hell).

agreed re both smugness and goodness when it comes to From Hell

that said I never picked up *quite* the levels of self-serious portent from the comic that Snyder's movie contained

The film is something else. The book has smugness by association for me - From Hell is Moore "doing" Iain Sinclair and Michael Moorcock (in a way), but I find them both annoying old gits.

confusingly enough, I was talking about the Watchmen movie there. Never saw the From Hell movie, looked dire.

Duh, of course.

But yeah, the Snyder Watchmen is *really* something else. I can't think of an adaptation that misses the point of the original source material to such an epic scale.

("Doomsday Clock" excepted.)

I still sometimes think about the aborted modern-day Greengrass adaptation with (reportedly) Tom Cruise attached as Veidt

and Michael Moorcock (in a way)

? I don't see this connection

Sinclair though, definitely

Series ordered, coming next year. Nicole Kassell directing the pilot

https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/watchmen-hbo-series-damon-lindelof-1202908824/

Curious how they’ll step up the sex & violence beyond what the book had for HBO

With power over matter, Dr. Manhattan tossed his enlargement pills.

fwiw Leftovers didn't have much sex *or* violence

Got a 'who watches watchmen' joke ready to pop when this starts, look forward to working with you all

Hoooooly shit: Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross are doing the music for HBO’s Watchmen series!!! pic.twitter.com/Y7dyq6zl1Y

— Jarett Wieselman (@JarettSays) September 20, 2018

just how many bad ideas can he come up with, let's find out!

this is a good idea!

scabs

Are they?

not sure I've summarized it before: Ethically, I think the Watchmen adaptations are ok bc Gibbons is fine with them & Moore doesn't like them, but the comic prequels/sequels are scabbing bc Moore actually said "please do not make any Watchmen comics." that's about the size of it.

— Sean T. Collins (@theseantcollins) September 20, 2018

(as already established, I don't particularly care myself, everyone involved is doing fine AFAIK, but there seems to be some dispute.)

it's not about compensation as much as it is about ownership and basic respect imo

I would say that this at least seems to be a new story/characters, unlike the MCU shit