Damon Lindelof's Watchmen

what really haunts me about Goldsman is that he's credited with most of the best episodes of Fringe

i choose to believe that fringe was orchestrated by alternate-universe versions of goldsman, abrams, orci and kurtzman, who all returned to their dimension after their work was done

lmao

anyway to sum up The Case For Why I Think This Will Be Good so I can just lie down and die on this hill

1. the vast majority of the stuff that was bad about Lost mostly comes down to poor planning and production mishaps, which Lindelof has pretty freely acknowledged and taken his knocks for (hell, he even consulted Mike Schur on What Not To Do when planning a high-concept TV show)
2. The Leftovers slaps and I would put money down on this using a bunch of the same creatives. lest we forget TV is a deeply collaborative medium and if nothing else the dude has proven he can put together a very talented bench
3. the direction laid out in the letter (diversify, find new angles, no more apocalypses) all sound good and productive to me

Of all the terrible ideas about Watchmen, this one sounds like the least terrible

The best idea remains: do nothing, give Alan Moore rights back

I'm willing to buy bg's theory on Fringe

Nash Bridges was good, this is the hill I'm going to die on

i do apreciate simon's argument that lindelof's watchmen's gonna be good because he'll hire writers who are better than he is

Trying to think of things that are easier than hiring writers who are better than Damon Lindelof. Eating, breathing...I'm sure there's a third.

Ahem, excuse me, just burped out a writer who created Lost and The Leftovers, my bad

anyway to sum up The Case For Why I Think This Will Be Good so I can just lie down and die on this hill

none of these explain why it is a sensible, useful, or not-offensive idea to do

The sensible and useful reasons are "to make money, because capitalism" and the not-offensive reason is "gtfo with your hand-wringing on behalf of a relatively small number of malcontents, because capitalism."

Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons are malcontents?

"because capitalism" really carries a lot of weight eh

lmao "offensive"

would you have preferred unethical

Who knew that a little Lindelof was all it would take to get Simon to finally champion capitalism.

(Lindelof or the notion of butthurt nerds, not sure which really.)

on the list of capitalism's sins, the violating of old intellectual property is reaalllly low

also realllly easily remedied

You're moving those goalposts like an old pro! Welcome to the dark side, Simon, we've kept a seat warm for you.

if you want something less dramatic, "because we think it will make money"

lmao moving goalposts, I already said I think the show will be good and don't care about Tarnishing The Legacy or w/ever, p sure zooming out to get mad at capitalism (which, yes, is absolutely my jam) is when the goalposts moved

"old intellectual property"

DC's #2-seller for 2017

if I read Simon right he thinks that the quality of the final product will trump all ethical concerns. Both propositions are highly suspect, but for different reasons.

what's more annoying: unironic sneering at "funnybook nerds" or saying "lmao" at the start of every post

i vote both

(ie 1) that the product will be any good and 2) that the quality of a product overrides all other concerns about how it is made)

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btw I totally think it was unethical and lowdown for DC to fuck Moore and Gibbons, I'm just imagining the reasoning at the other end, not agreeing with it

I can't speak for sic, but I give a hearty lmao to anybody that would consider me a "funnybook nerd"

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lmao funnybook nerds

zooming out to get mad at capitalism is when the goalposts moved

Moore walked from DC over matters including the violation of contractual rights and threatened violation of IP rights on Watchmen in 1987. those goalposts have been in place longer than this thread revive.

That Moore sure sounds like a nerd to me.

idk guys I take it as a given that art produced under capitalism is inherently exploitative at some point (or more likely dozens) of the production line, idk why I should shed tears for Moore and Gibbons in particular, I'm sure they're doing fine

but anyway I'm sure everyone itt boycotts all the marvel movies and didn't shell out for the first Watchmen movie

i don't watch any of the marvel movies and regret having watched the watchmen movie, how's that?

Marvel garbage is easily avoidable and yeah I didn't pay to see anything in between the first X-Men movie and the most recent Thor movie (which, as sic notes, was after the settlement)

if you think I shelled out for the first Watchmen movie, I refer you to the ilx thread where I actively told people not to go see it and you championed it, so speak for dumbass self

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I mean I was about 20, I probably championed a lot of dumb shit

not like now, of course

idk why I should shed tears for Moore and Gibbons in particular

it's not a zero-sum game: I can have objections to the treatment of Moore and Gibbons AND Kirby and Ditko and Veitch and Mario and Beto and Xaime and Templeton and Gerber, and make consumer decisions accordingly

but anyway I'm sure everyone itt boycotts all the marvel movies and didn't shell out for the first Watchmen movie

"everyone"

"ethical consumption" is a farce

I've paid or Moviepassed for 76 cinema presentations this year, and none of them were Marvel productions (I did see New Line's Blade for the first time, rescored by touring industrial / techno artist Kilbourne, though)

I bought comics from over 40 different publishers last year: only two of them (1 one-shot, 1 mini) were from a publisher large enough to have an accounting department (the same one in both cases).

Some of our spending in modern society goes towards entities and principles that we don't actively support. Some of it we are able to exert control over, and art is the area where this is easiest to do.

acknowledging that there are degrees of ethical consumption is not farcical, esp when we're talking about non-essential things like art (as opposed to, say, food, clothing, means of production, etc.) It isn't very hard to find art directly from the people that created it and compensate them appropriately, it's really easy. Conversely, it is really easy to avoid consuming shit from a shit factory.

you can acknowledge it all you want but (with the exception of sending independent/local artists yr money directly) none of your choices make any difference at all to anybody but you

1) that's a p big exception there, 2) welcome to ethical behavior

not that big an exception, most people never do it

glad to see an admission that the point of ethical consumption is purely ego stroking and not actually changing anything

not that big an exception, most people never do it

this is totally untrue

we create change instead by arguing on the internet

as far as "purely ego stroking and not actually changing anything" idk what to tell you dude. Read Kant?

we create change instead by arguing on the internet

probably more effective than not buying an HBO subscription tbh

unless of course you give the money you saved to some socialists or something

SO ANYWAY

https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-cast-of-hbos-watchmen-has-been-revealed-and-the-fan-1826269382

Variety reports Regina King will play the lead character in the series, and she’ll be joined by Don Johnson, Tim Blake Nelson, Louis Gossett Jr., Adelaide Clemens, and Andrew Howard. Deadline adds that “King is believed to be playing Angela Abraham, while Gossett Jr. likely is Old Man. Howard is said to be playing Red Scare, Clemens could be Pirate Jenny,” but none of that is confirmed.

Don Johnson IS...Miami Rorschach

Maybe it's a bunch of superheroes playing the Watchmen for a costume party.