Tbh FARGO probably is a great comparison point in terms of spinning off a great isolated, self contained work into a longer, expanded format, I just personally think it sucks shit
― Simon H., Tuesday, 22 May 2018 23:38 (six years ago) link
in the tradition of the work that inspired it, this new story must be original
chef kiss
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 01:38 (six years ago) link
Nice catch. Although maybe Lindelof is totally aware of what he's saying and the show will actually feature slightly altered Watchmen characters in the same way Watchmen features slightly altered Charlton characters.
(Narrator: Lindelof has no idea what he's saying.)
― I cop this squat in the name of slack (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 02:26 (six years ago) link
not here for the lindelof slander by people who haven't seen leftovers
― 808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 04:08 (six years ago) link
like the mother of a murderer cryin that hes changed hes changed hes a good boy my boy, mfers sitting here in 2018 telling me i have to see the latest thing this cunt was involved in before i judge
― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 07:55 (six years ago) link
a lot of people whose opinions i respect tell me the leftovers is good and i’ll def get around to watching it at some point but if u don’t think this next project will be the perfect catalyst for lindelof to get right back on his bullshit and then some u are frankly out of ur goddamn mind
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 08:29 (six years ago) link
voodoo knows what's up
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 10:15 (six years ago) link
Damon Laurence Lindelof (born April 24, 1973) is an American screenwriter and producer. He was the co-creator and showrunner of the television series Lost (2004–10). He has written for and produced Crossing Jordan (2001–04) and wrote for Nash Bridges (2000–01). Lindelof also co-wrote the science fiction films Cowboys & Aliens (2011), Prometheus (2012), Star Trek Into Darkness (2013), and Tomorrowland (2015). He wildly smacked his ape paws against the keys for long enough that he eventually and wholly accidentally co-created the TV series The Leftovers for HBO, adapted from the novel by Tom Perrotta.
― I cop this squat in the name of slack (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 10:27 (six years ago) link
it's almost like he writes for money!
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 10:30 (six years ago) link
Exclusively so, even!
― I cop this squat in the name of slack (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 12:35 (six years ago) link
The Babaloo Mandel of our generation.
― I cop this squat in the name of slack (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 12:48 (six years ago) link
how quickly we forget akiva goldsman
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 12:49 (six years ago) link
what really haunts me about Goldsman is that he's credited with most of the best episodes of Fringe
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 12:54 (six years ago) link
i choose to believe that fringe was orchestrated by alternate-universe versions of goldsman, abrams, orci and kurtzman, who all returned to their dimension after their work was done
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 13:04 (six years ago) link
lmao
anyway to sum up The Case For Why I Think This Will Be Good so I can just lie down and die on this hill
1. the vast majority of the stuff that was bad about Lost mostly comes down to poor planning and production mishaps, which Lindelof has pretty freely acknowledged and taken his knocks for (hell, he even consulted Mike Schur on What Not To Do when planning a high-concept TV show)2. The Leftovers slaps and I would put money down on this using a bunch of the same creatives. lest we forget TV is a deeply collaborative medium and if nothing else the dude has proven he can put together a very talented bench3. the direction laid out in the letter (diversify, find new angles, no more apocalypses) all sound good and productive to me
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 13:19 (six years ago) link
Of all the terrible ideas about Watchmen, this one sounds like the least terrible
The best idea remains: do nothing, give Alan Moore rights back
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:02 (six years ago) link
I'm willing to buy bg's theory on Fringe
Nash Bridges was good, this is the hill I'm going to die on
― (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ (mh), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:06 (six years ago) link
i do apreciate simon's argument that lindelof's watchmen's gonna be good because he'll hire writers who are better than he is
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:13 (six years ago) link
Trying to think of things that are easier than hiring writers who are better than Damon Lindelof. Eating, breathing...I'm sure there's a third.
― I cop this squat in the name of slack (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:16 (six years ago) link
Ahem, excuse me, just burped out a writer who created Lost and The Leftovers, my bad
― 808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 15:42 (six years ago) link
anyway to sum up The Case For Why I Think This Will Be Good so I can just lie down and die on this hillnone of these explain why it is a sensible, useful, or not-offensive idea to do
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link
The sensible and useful reasons are "to make money, because capitalism" and the not-offensive reason is "gtfo with your hand-wringing on behalf of a relatively small number of malcontents, because capitalism."
― WilliamC, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:02 (six years ago) link
Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons are malcontents?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
"because capitalism" really carries a lot of weight eh
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:06 (six years ago) link
lmao "offensive"
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:06 (six years ago) link
would you have preferred unethical
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link
Who knew that a little Lindelof was all it would take to get Simon to finally champion capitalism.
― I cop this squat in the name of slack (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:19 (six years ago) link
(Lindelof or the notion of butthurt nerds, not sure which really.)
― I cop this squat in the name of slack (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:20 (six years ago) link
on the list of capitalism's sins, the violating of old intellectual property is reaalllly low
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:26 (six years ago) link
also realllly easily remedied
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:30 (six years ago) link
You're moving those goalposts like an old pro! Welcome to the dark side, Simon, we've kept a seat warm for you.
― I cop this squat in the name of slack (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:33 (six years ago) link
if you want something less dramatic, "because we think it will make money"
― WilliamC, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link
lmao moving goalposts, I already said I think the show will be good and don't care about Tarnishing The Legacy or w/ever, p sure zooming out to get mad at capitalism (which, yes, is absolutely my jam) is when the goalposts moved
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:36 (six years ago) link
"old intellectual property"
DC's #2-seller for 2017
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
if I read Simon right he thinks that the quality of the final product will trump all ethical concerns. Both propositions are highly suspect, but for different reasons.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:39 (six years ago) link
what's more annoying: unironic sneering at "funnybook nerds" or saying "lmao" at the start of every post
i vote both
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link
(ie 1) that the product will be any good and 2) that the quality of a product overrides all other concerns about how it is made)
xp
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link
btw I totally think it was unethical and lowdown for DC to fuck Moore and Gibbons, I'm just imagining the reasoning at the other end, not agreeing with it
― WilliamC, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:41 (six years ago) link
I can't speak for sic, but I give a hearty lmao to anybody that would consider me a "funnybook nerd"
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:41 (six years ago) link
lmao funnybook nerds
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:45 (six years ago) link
zooming out to get mad at capitalism is when the goalposts moved
Moore walked from DC over matters including the violation of contractual rights and threatened violation of IP rights on Watchmen in 1987. those goalposts have been in place longer than this thread revive.
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:54 (six years ago) link
That Moore sure sounds like a nerd to me.
― I cop this squat in the name of slack (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:56 (six years ago) link
idk guys I take it as a given that art produced under capitalism is inherently exploitative at some point (or more likely dozens) of the production line, idk why I should shed tears for Moore and Gibbons in particular, I'm sure they're doing fine
but anyway I'm sure everyone itt boycotts all the marvel movies and didn't shell out for the first Watchmen movie
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:14 (six years ago) link
i don't watch any of the marvel movies and regret having watched the watchmen movie, how's that?
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:18 (six years ago) link
Marvel garbage is easily avoidable and yeah I didn't pay to see anything in between the first X-Men movie and the most recent Thor movie (which, as sic notes, was after the settlement)
if you think I shelled out for the first Watchmen movie, I refer you to the ilx thread where I actively told people not to go see it and you championed it, so speak for dumbass self
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:20 (six years ago) link
I mean I was about 20, I probably championed a lot of dumb shit
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link
not like now, of course
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
idk why I should shed tears for Moore and Gibbons in particularit's not a zero-sum game: I can have objections to the treatment of Moore and Gibbons AND Kirby and Ditko and Veitch and Mario and Beto and Xaime and Templeton and Gerber, and make consumer decisions accordinglybut anyway I'm sure everyone itt boycotts all the marvel movies and didn't shell out for the first Watchmen movie"everyone"
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:28 (six years ago) link
"ethical consumption" is a farce
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
I've paid or Moviepassed for 76 cinema presentations this year, and none of them were Marvel productions (I did see New Line's Blade for the first time, rescored by touring industrial / techno artist Kilbourne, though)
I bought comics from over 40 different publishers last year: only two of them (1 one-shot, 1 mini) were from a publisher large enough to have an accounting department (the same one in both cases).
Some of our spending in modern society goes towards entities and principles that we don't actively support. Some of it we are able to exert control over, and art is the area where this is easiest to do.
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:55 (six years ago) link