This sounds dumb and bad and unnecessary and I can't understand why anyone beyond the people making money off of it would want it to happen.
― I cop this squat in the name of slack (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:47 (six years ago) link
Those issues are sacred ground
"The wishes and moral rights of Mr. Moore and Mr. Gibbons, however, are worthless shit that I will spend many, many millions of dollars to disrespect and dishonour."
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:51 (six years ago) link
word
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 21:53 (six years ago) link
This is basically 'okay, I know there was already a film adaptation of (let's say) A Confederacy of Dunces a decade ago, but I think it would make a really great TV show. No, we're not re-adapting it or formulating a sequel. We're taking the beats, the essence of the novel, and we're gonna shake things up a little. Like what if Mr. Ignatius J. Reilly was actually disgruntled blogger Ms. Ignatia ORLY? What if that? I envision a minimum of five seasons. I've already picked out a yacht. Thank you, HBO.'
― I cop this squat in the name of slack (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 22:02 (six years ago) link
he explicitly says Gibbons has given his blessing (although I don't blame you for not reading the entire thing)
― Number None, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 22:03 (six years ago) link
Watchmen is an obsessively-detailed, hermetically-sealed world where pretty much everything worth exploring is explored within the text itself and which is tailor-made for its specific medium. I'm hard-pressed to think of a work less in need of adapting, let alone adapting twice (and let alone everything DC has done to strip the corpse down to the bone over the past several years).
― I cop this squat in the name of slack (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 22:09 (six years ago) link
I didn't know there was anything to read, but am doing so now. "Dave said he would offer me his blessing if I really felt I needed it to calm my soul" is even less of an endorsement than Gibbons' PR statement on Before Watchmen, "You know and I know that these are worthless wastes of paper, but I got paid already."
speaking of which, some high-quality endorsements on Lindelof's instagram:
jimmypalmiotti RED THE SILK SPECTRE MINISERIES that came out a few years ago...you will fall in love with it.
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 22:18 (six years ago) link
we all know what happened to Jack Kirby and yet we're first in line for every Marvel film
uh no, ppl who know what happened to Kirby explicitly refused to see even Marvel films by directors they were intersted in while Marvel was actively suing Kirby's heirs
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 22:22 (six years ago) link
yeah I was not down with that shit.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 22:31 (six years ago) link
I saw Guardians out of interst in Gunn, but only once Mantlo's brother had made press statements of "I'm not allowed to publicly say that Marvel gave any money towards the care of my permanently brain damaged brother because they will not create any kind of precedent for creator credit or royalties or charity or health care, but WINK WINK Bill would be happpy WINK WINK if you go and see it WINK" we all know what happened to Jack Kirby and yet we're first in line for every Marvel film
^ this is an open declaration of "I don't actually get it"
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 22:40 (six years ago) link
I read it as an admission of guilt
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 22:52 (six years ago) link
Lindelof's description of this make me think of the first season of Fargo, which was quite good.
On the other hand, Damon Lindelof is not Noah Hawley.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 23:09 (six years ago) link
Correct, his last series was way better than any Hawley stuff
― Simon H., Tuesday, 22 May 2018 23:24 (six years ago) link
Tbh FARGO probably is a great comparison point in terms of spinning off a great isolated, self contained work into a longer, expanded format, I just personally think it sucks shit
― Simon H., Tuesday, 22 May 2018 23:38 (six years ago) link
in the tradition of the work that inspired it, this new story must be original
chef kiss
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 01:38 (six years ago) link
Nice catch. Although maybe Lindelof is totally aware of what he's saying and the show will actually feature slightly altered Watchmen characters in the same way Watchmen features slightly altered Charlton characters.
(Narrator: Lindelof has no idea what he's saying.)
― I cop this squat in the name of slack (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 02:26 (six years ago) link
not here for the lindelof slander by people who haven't seen leftovers
― 808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 04:08 (six years ago) link
like the mother of a murderer cryin that hes changed hes changed hes a good boy my boy, mfers sitting here in 2018 telling me i have to see the latest thing this cunt was involved in before i judge
― laurel or hardyhearin (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 07:55 (six years ago) link
a lot of people whose opinions i respect tell me the leftovers is good and i’ll def get around to watching it at some point but if u don’t think this next project will be the perfect catalyst for lindelof to get right back on his bullshit and then some u are frankly out of ur goddamn mind
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 08:29 (six years ago) link
voodoo knows what's up
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 10:15 (six years ago) link
Damon Laurence Lindelof (born April 24, 1973) is an American screenwriter and producer. He was the co-creator and showrunner of the television series Lost (2004–10). He has written for and produced Crossing Jordan (2001–04) and wrote for Nash Bridges (2000–01). Lindelof also co-wrote the science fiction films Cowboys & Aliens (2011), Prometheus (2012), Star Trek Into Darkness (2013), and Tomorrowland (2015). He wildly smacked his ape paws against the keys for long enough that he eventually and wholly accidentally co-created the TV series The Leftovers for HBO, adapted from the novel by Tom Perrotta.
― I cop this squat in the name of slack (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 10:27 (six years ago) link
it's almost like he writes for money!
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 10:30 (six years ago) link
Exclusively so, even!
― I cop this squat in the name of slack (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 12:35 (six years ago) link
The Babaloo Mandel of our generation.
― I cop this squat in the name of slack (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 12:48 (six years ago) link
how quickly we forget akiva goldsman
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 12:49 (six years ago) link
what really haunts me about Goldsman is that he's credited with most of the best episodes of Fringe
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 12:54 (six years ago) link
i choose to believe that fringe was orchestrated by alternate-universe versions of goldsman, abrams, orci and kurtzman, who all returned to their dimension after their work was done
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 13:04 (six years ago) link
lmao
anyway to sum up The Case For Why I Think This Will Be Good so I can just lie down and die on this hill
1. the vast majority of the stuff that was bad about Lost mostly comes down to poor planning and production mishaps, which Lindelof has pretty freely acknowledged and taken his knocks for (hell, he even consulted Mike Schur on What Not To Do when planning a high-concept TV show)2. The Leftovers slaps and I would put money down on this using a bunch of the same creatives. lest we forget TV is a deeply collaborative medium and if nothing else the dude has proven he can put together a very talented bench3. the direction laid out in the letter (diversify, find new angles, no more apocalypses) all sound good and productive to me
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 13:19 (six years ago) link
Of all the terrible ideas about Watchmen, this one sounds like the least terrible
The best idea remains: do nothing, give Alan Moore rights back
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:02 (six years ago) link
I'm willing to buy bg's theory on Fringe
Nash Bridges was good, this is the hill I'm going to die on
― (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ (mh), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:06 (six years ago) link
i do apreciate simon's argument that lindelof's watchmen's gonna be good because he'll hire writers who are better than he is
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:13 (six years ago) link
Trying to think of things that are easier than hiring writers who are better than Damon Lindelof. Eating, breathing...I'm sure there's a third.
― I cop this squat in the name of slack (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:16 (six years ago) link
Ahem, excuse me, just burped out a writer who created Lost and The Leftovers, my bad
― 808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 15:42 (six years ago) link
anyway to sum up The Case For Why I Think This Will Be Good so I can just lie down and die on this hillnone of these explain why it is a sensible, useful, or not-offensive idea to do
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link
The sensible and useful reasons are "to make money, because capitalism" and the not-offensive reason is "gtfo with your hand-wringing on behalf of a relatively small number of malcontents, because capitalism."
― WilliamC, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:02 (six years ago) link
Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons are malcontents?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
"because capitalism" really carries a lot of weight eh
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:06 (six years ago) link
lmao "offensive"
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:06 (six years ago) link
would you have preferred unethical
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link
Who knew that a little Lindelof was all it would take to get Simon to finally champion capitalism.
― I cop this squat in the name of slack (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:19 (six years ago) link
(Lindelof or the notion of butthurt nerds, not sure which really.)
― I cop this squat in the name of slack (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:20 (six years ago) link
on the list of capitalism's sins, the violating of old intellectual property is reaalllly low
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:26 (six years ago) link
also realllly easily remedied
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:30 (six years ago) link
You're moving those goalposts like an old pro! Welcome to the dark side, Simon, we've kept a seat warm for you.
― I cop this squat in the name of slack (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:33 (six years ago) link
if you want something less dramatic, "because we think it will make money"
― WilliamC, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link
lmao moving goalposts, I already said I think the show will be good and don't care about Tarnishing The Legacy or w/ever, p sure zooming out to get mad at capitalism (which, yes, is absolutely my jam) is when the goalposts moved
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:36 (six years ago) link
"old intellectual property"
DC's #2-seller for 2017
― we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
if I read Simon right he thinks that the quality of the final product will trump all ethical concerns. Both propositions are highly suspect, but for different reasons.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:39 (six years ago) link
what's more annoying: unironic sneering at "funnybook nerds" or saying "lmao" at the start of every post
i vote both
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link
(ie 1) that the product will be any good and 2) that the quality of a product overrides all other concerns about how it is made)
xp
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link