The Jordan Peterson Thread

The 'argument by appeal to prejudice' has always been one of the most popular and successful rhetorical strategies because it does not require verifiable facts or attempt to change anyone's mind. It's dead easy and works a treat.

i skimmed that NYT piece and mygodhowunimportant

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/jordan-petersons-now-thats-what-i-call-music

ha

i'd be surprised if jord even liked music

he talks about music being a model for a harmonious mode of being all the time.

His Twitter av is an artwork he made called "the meaning of music"

lol

that's some vivaldi style thinking

tbh I actually submitted a Peterson thing to McSweeneys over the weekend too (which I don't think I've done since 2003), but they wrote back and said "We've already got one."

So here it is because I have nothing else to do with it.

JORDAN PETERSON'S 12 RULES FOR HANGING AT THE INDIE ROCK SHOW

1.Stand Up Straight With Your Shoulders Back
This tells everybody that even though you are in this den of slouchy betas and bicurious girls with purple hair, you are not of this den. You are only here because your friend Matt needed a ride and also it’s possible Megyn might show up.

2.Treat Yourself Like Someone You Are Responsible for Helping
For example, buy yourself a beer. Not PBR because you’re not a loser hipster with no money like all these cucks. Jesus, they don’t have Blue Moon? Fine, get a Sierra Nevada.

3.Make Friends With People Who Want the Best for You
If only. Everyone here obviously hates actual men. Where’s Megyn?

4.Compare Yourself to Who You Were Yesterday, Not to Who Someone Else Is Today
Especially not that douchebag over there with the beard and the vintage Pavement T-shirt who’s got himself surrounded by a practical coven of emasculators with lip piercings and … shit, is that Megyn? Oh. No, it's not.

5.Do Not Let Your Children Do Anything That Makes You Dislike Them
Like cut their hair so short that you can’t tell from the back if they’re a boy or a girl, because that’s really confusing when you’re waiting for the bathrooms and the hallway’s dark and smelly like it is in this place, and those chicks probably laughed at you or thought you were transitioning or something when you got in the wrong line.

6.Set Your House in Perfect Order Before You Criticize the World
Seriously, they have a poster on the wall left over from a Standing Rock benefit last year. Where do they think their electricity’s coming from? Fossil fuel, baby. Hypocrites.

7.Pursue What Is Meaningful (Not What Is Expedient)
Megyn is definitely not expedient. She hasn’t responded to a Facebook message in months and then you realized you weren’t even Facebook friends with her anymore. Probably she got hacked. She’s so smart, though. She was the only other person in the community college English class who’d heard of Ayn Rand. OK, she rolled her eyes, but turns out she hadn’t actually read any, she just needs time and the right guy. No wonder she hasn’t found him in this cesspool of gender dysfunction. Technically she has a boyfriend, but come on. When you were Facebook friends you saw a picture of him wearing one of those stupid pink hats.

8.Tell the Truth – or, at Least, Don't Lie
It was not a lie when you told Matt you didn’t hate this band. You say, “I don’t hate it” a lot, it shows that that’s high praise from a discerning man. You don’t hate this band. You’ve never heard of this band. They probably suck.

9.Assume That the Person You Are Listening to Might Know Something You Don't
The bartender with the stringy beard probably knows if Megyn’s been here tonight, it seems like everybody here knows everyone. Right now you’re listening to him tell the dykey girl in the tuxedo jacket about his new bike. He means a bicycle, not a motorcycle. Of course. When you get his attention you will get another Sierra Nevada and ask about Megyn, but you’ve been standing here for five minutes clearly holding a $20 and he hasn’t seen you yet even though you are literally right in front of him.

10.Be Precise in Your Speech
“Do you only serve shemales and lesbians or something?” It’s hard to see how the bartender misunderstood that as some kind of hate speech, all you wanted was a goddam beer. And to ask about Megyn. You hadn’t even noticed that big guy by the door until he grabbed you and threw you out.

11. Do Not Bother Children When They’re Skateboarding
Asshole punk almost ran you over. And the girl on the board behind him was Megyn but you didn’t realize it until she shouted “Watch where you’re going dipshit” at you.

12. Pet a Cat When You Encounter One on the Street
Did Matt even see you get thrown out? The hell with it, he can Uber. Oh hey, look there. Here, kitty. C’mere. It’s OK. No, don’t be scared. Here, let me … OUCH FUCK! Goddam it. Bitch!

yours is better tipsy

i'd be surprised if jord even liked music

He seems to like Mumford & Sons so it's up for debate.

a+

yours is better tipsy

co-sign!

Thx!

I didn't know Something Awful was still a thing, but anyway, not as funny as tipsy's: http://www.somethingawful.com/news/jordan-peterson-interview/

SA forums are still kinda active

Courtesy of reddit:

https://i.redditmedia.com/2npymQ_HC995O7T4U2XE9akPHVIYYNWM-RWZ7kUYcSA.jpg?s=c4d4588013469fe6e47a658c8ecacd3c

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uSEZt9ahE7M/WrBEuW4Ji-I/AAAAAAAAHZ8/VUSS4ZJlucwP2guKGoaUuZgvHCO4rM-QwCLcBGAs/s1600/JP%2Bout%2Bof%2Bcontext%2Bsmaller.jpg

Peterson's persona can only be described as "serious." "I have not smiled in over four decades," he admits.

looool

As several people have already pointed out, the only real upside to the raft of profiles - besides the lols - is that they all make clear he is absolutely, pointlessly miserable

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/63NG7LbBRA4/hqdefault.jpg

"I have not smiled in over four decades,"

now i can certainly say that i have

the reddit table thing is ridiculously otm

he looks like Billie Joe Armstrong circa Dookie in that pic

he looks so young there

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/muppet/images/c/ce/Baby_Kermit_2018.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/272?cb=20180325004718

He looks like he should've been in Hal Hartley films in that pic.

I actually looked up what music he likes one time, which is definitely evidence that I spend more time thinking about him than he deserves. Although I also like all the individual artists he lists, I'm pretty sure Allan Bloom or Roger Scruton would be horrified by the plebeian taste of their degenerate heir: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/615e3z/i_am_dr_jordan_b_peterson_u_of_t_professor/dfbv9wj/

yours is better tipsy

OTM

i lol'd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=4LqZdkkBDas

JORDAN PETERSON: “I like to eat dandruff.”
EVERYONE: “Eww... why do you... that’s just gross.”
PETERSON FANS: “Look, don’t misconstrue his words, he was obviously speaking figuratively.”
JP: (chewing mouthful of dandruff) “mmm, it tastes like ancient myths.”

— Richard Feren (@RichardFeren) May 22, 2018

that sounds like a ren and stimpy skit

Jordan Peterson is the funniest current working comedian afaic

thankfully managed to steer clear of all but the most peripheral detail about this man. but this interview by Philip Dodd is exhilarating listening.

it exposes his status as a public thinker as a complete sham - what he thinks doesn’t stand up to any sort of rigour. he has no framework of belief that he is able to articulate. it also insistently shows just how parochial, tiny even, his gripe is. v small and limited foundations for extraordinarily wide and blurry claims. finally it shows a mendacity in his method of thinking. when painted into corners he relies on words like “proper” (as in where he says that he’s not against the communal but the “proper relationship of the communal to the individual”), or where he talks about “harmony” or the emphatically ludicrous evasions of the conversation on chaos.

what a strange and embarrassing man. he clearly hasn’t had to face much intelligent questioning before either as his response is to get angry and pass off glib undefined statements as incontrovertible fact.

dodd does need to stop saying “forgive me” tho.

i mean there’s no philosophy or weltanschaung here. he’s just pissed off that he got twitted by the universities once. what a poverty of thought.

just how parochial, tiny even, his gripe is. v small and limited foundations for extraordinarily wide and blurry claims.

this is Bigotry 101 iirc

universities a canadian university.

/just how parochial, tiny even, his gripe is. v small and limited foundations for extraordinarily wide and blurry claims./

this is Bigotry 101 iirc

a hell of a lot of prejudicial "theory" seems to stem from the equivalent of "i had one of them...in the back of me cab once"

he also has the two classic “tells” - all religion and concepts are essentialised and made fungible or interchangeable, so you can make wild all-encompassing claims, and he has one or two theorists which he cites all the time to support himself “scientifically”. oh yeah a third - making out what you are saying is objective fact and science all the time. tho this here is lol IVE STUDIED IT IVE STUDIED IT.

there’s also a great bit where dodd says “i read your book very carefully” or something and JBP says irritably or grimly “it certainly seems that way”.

the temerity of close-reading an "academic" book

quite. also, dodd “your book isn’t scholarly is it? it’s about what’s inside you, belief”, to which, fairly enough JBP assents, but that does rather give the lie to his whole schtick.

He's indefatigable:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/8m21kw/i_am_dr_jordan_b_peterson_u_of_t_professor/

i understand some of those words.

what a strange and embarrassing man. he clearly hasn’t had to face much intelligent questioning before either as his response is to get angry and pass off glib undefined statements as incontrovertible fact.

Which ILXor are you talking about again?

feeling v attacked rn

He's indefatigable:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/8m21kw/i_am_dr_jordan_b_peterson_u_of_t_professor🕸/

ex colleague takes issue

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/2018/05/25/i-was-jordan-petersons-strongest-supporter-now-i-think-hes-dangerous.html

there have been many pieces that have taken him to task, and this might be the best

It's good, though the diagrams people have shared from Maps of Meaning make me wonder why so many in academic circles thought his work was so interesting/worthy in the first place.