But surely it is about perception? I've played exactly the same clip at the same level over the same headphones and heard it go Y>L>Y>L>Y. And when I hear Y I cannot conceive of it sounding like L, and vice versa.
For someone who has spent a fair amount of his professional life trying to decipher what people are saying for the purposes of transcription, this is at least faintly interesting. Usually I associate the challenges with decoding speech with isolating the audio and trying to avoid contextual cues; here's an example of something in isolation, with no contextual cues, and it keeps flipping on me.
― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:24 (six years ago) link
ok fine it's interesting
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:25 (six years ago) link
i hear Laurel.
the real mystery is why the fuck anyone would ever say "Yanny"
― 808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:27 (six years ago) link
So I said this elsewhere but I usually keep the volume down when I listen on headphones because even mild hearing loss or tinnitus terrify me. I just turned up the volume to about 5 on my interface and now I hear "Laurel" clear as day.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:27 (six years ago) link
the actual stuff on perception that they get people talking about is interesting
it was for the dress, kinda, but this is about digital speech synthesis, vocoding and recording artifacts more than it is about perception imo - and that's what I find not interesting at all in fact the exact opposite, anti-interesting, if interesting had a mustache and was chaotic evil aaaaaaarrrrrrrrgh.
― El Tomboto
I still find this very interesting! I've been very very slowly entering into the world of (lo-fi) mixing/production over the last few years and this stuff is a good entry-level example of how things can sound very different with only slight outside changes. Also I love auditory illusion shit like Shepard tones etc. I'm not necessarily saying YOU should find it interesting, I just it's unfair to dismiss it all as 'trash'.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:28 (six years ago) link
*I just think
― emil.y, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:29 (six years ago) link
Yeah, Tombot is describing a phenomenon that is fascinating and crucial to me and then saying it's the opposite of interesting. (The explanation that it's a lo-fi recording is more believable to me than the explanation that it's text-to-speech synthesis, though.)
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:30 (six years ago) link
i think it's probably a little bit of both; i didn't even consider that it was text-to-speech which shows you how untrained my ear is!
― cr.ht (crüt), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link
All I know is my social media is suddenly a lot more disconcerting.
― which do u hear yanny or (in orbit), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:33 (six years ago) link
I guess what is changing is the ambient noise level around me (open-plan office), and I have no control over that. So maybe that's having an effect. Back to Laurel for now!
― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:34 (six years ago) link
I turned my speakers up and now I hear "Laurel" on those too.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
Listened on headphones, heard "Laurel" clear as day, wondered why this was even a question.
Listened on computer speakers, hear "Yanny" clear as day, wondered why this was even a question.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:52 (six years ago) link
the text-to-speech aspect is where I think the high pitch comes from, which is inaudible in the original file and original sample rate, but when downsampled it drops into audible range and subsumes the "dark l" under this upper midrange "eea" sound
humans do not make secret >22khz noises when they pronounce velarized alveolar lateral approximants, at least as far as I understand things
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:54 (six years ago) link
in the car : yanny.on laptop just now : laurel
― mark e, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:58 (six years ago) link
my favorite tts artifact was when Microsoft Sam made a weird whooshing sound when you tried to make it say 'soy'
haven't tried it in ages but i assume it s been fixed by now
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:07 (six years ago) link
There's also an element of this that is about perception, though. Once I heard "Laurel", I could still hear it that way even when I turned the volume down again.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:09 (six years ago) link
where is option ‘hen fap’
― martin short's interiors (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:09 (six years ago) link
Played this in OUTER SPACE where everyone could hear Yanny.
https://www.nerdreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/23569786-Case-closed-grunge-red-stamp-Stock-Photo.jpg
― burzum buddies (brownie), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:13 (six years ago) link
I'm still baffled that people cannot hear Laurel, when it sounds completely clear and like a normal voice saying that name. Meanwhile Yanny just sounds like some kind of faint whispering that could easily be just noise or random sound artifacts that vaguely resemble speech.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
Yeah, like a weird noise your brain makes up when you're falling asleep.
― how's life, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link
i know it's cool not to care about this, but i do get worried that i cannot make it into "yanny" or conceive of making it into a "yanny." i sorta just wanna loop it and listen til if finally yann-ify it.
― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:35 (six years ago) link
I predict that Yanny will be the hot new baby name of 2018
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, May 16, 2018 9:16 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ok lol
― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:36 (six years ago) link
The experience of Tarfumes is close to mine.
To do a serious analysis one would also need to cross-reference every respondent with age and listening environment.
Like, there are those frequency things only audible to certain age ranges like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mosquito
― it's a leaf that the nomads chew (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:37 (six years ago) link
Put on some bass-y music and then listen to it again?
― chant down basildon (NickB), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link
xp to hunt3r
https://ring.cdandlp.com/themusiccollector/photo_grande/114965794.jpg
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:39 (six years ago) link
I see Laurel Live at the Acropolis
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:40 (six years ago) link
have listened on phone speakers and with headphones and through an amp while twiddling the bass and treble and have yet to hear anything that sounds remotely like laurel.
― lana del boy (ledge), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link
When I heard it as "yanny", it didn't sound very much like a normal human voice tbc. I don't think anyone has said otherwise.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:48 (six years ago) link
yanny
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
I can't turn my laurel into a yanny
― Mark G, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
*sighs**double-checks search rankings**sighs again*📈 We have a new top lookup! https://t.co/aYHnerbrUS— Merriam-Webster (@MerriamWebster) May 16, 2018
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
lol
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
ok i clicked on a link it's a straight yanny for me and i'm convinced it's a different recording, the voice is higher and different. lol non bass-y music needed. ~success~ i guess.
― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
I tried playing neil young while listening to it, now I just have him singing about yanny canyon stuck in my head
― chant down basildon (NickB), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
hey y'all know what my life is like now, i mishear like 20% of words for some reason. at least in english i can kinda fill in the context clues but in languages i'm not fluent i am worthless. everyone i know is like "i can understand frnech but i can't speak it" and i'm like HOW. I CAN ONLY SPEAK IT
― challops trap house (Will M.), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 17:38 (six years ago) link
It was solidly Laurel for me all afternoon. Now the office is 80% empty and quiet, Yanny is back in town. (I've been checking the same MP3 every 20min or so all day).
― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 17:51 (six years ago) link
Yanny is back in town
Would love to hear the Thin Lizzy version of this.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link
oh man rufus just totally heard yanny! i don't get it at all....
― scott seward, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:08 (six years ago) link
like, it was totally immediate for him too. no question.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link
I was very surprised my son couldn't hear Laurel.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:11 (six years ago) link
And now Laurel. What a day.
― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:12 (six years ago) link
kill me
― In space, pizza sends out for YOU (Ste), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link
when people do the demonstrations and cut the lows i still hear laurel
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link
Ok fine, so in this one I hear yanny first, and then when it's slowed down at :11 I start to hear laurel. But other people apparently hear the opposite, so idk.
Okay once I sped it up I was able to hear Yanny but all I could hear was Laurel before. pic.twitter.com/4LQR2tnBun— milinda (@FrcknZazzed) May 16, 2018
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:44 (six years ago) link
Wait I mean the reverse, the sped-up version is the first time I've been able to hear it as laurel, but then back to yanny upon slowing down
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:45 (six years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/16/upshot/audio-clip-yanny-laurel-debate.html
― DJI, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 19:20 (six years ago) link
If I start at the Yanny end, it takes until a few segments over to hear Laurel.
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― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 19:51 (six years ago) link
that nyt thing is good, the switch point for me, at which i can mentally control which i hear, is at 1.65 bars to the left of center.
― Hunt3r, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 19:54 (six years ago) link
this is what gets me to leave ilx. thanks
― In space, pizza sends out for YOU (Ste), Friday, 18 May 2018 21:24 (six years ago) link
I don't get why this stuff makes so many people IA. It's harmless and easily ignored.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 18 May 2018 21:30 (six years ago) link
I thought a lot about why it made me so mad and I think it’s because I’ve spent too much time playing speech samples through filters so I’m really inured to the phenomenon in question - I can actually do a really good “beatbox” of it unplugged - so when everyone was like “wow I can hear both” my jaded mind couldn’t help itself. OF COURSE YOU FUCKING CAN IT’S JUST ABOUT WHICH FREQUENCIES ARE EMPHASIZED AND HOW BRAINS WORK, GAAAWWWWD.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 18 May 2018 23:57 (six years ago) link
Blame Korg
(also probably the name of some character in the wookieepedia)
― El Tomboto, Friday, 18 May 2018 23:58 (six years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Saturday, 19 May 2018 00:01 (six years ago) link
Fuck you
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 19 May 2018 04:42 (six years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Sunday, 20 May 2018 00:01 (six years ago) link
Good comeback, System.
― Now I know my ABCs. Next time won't you scream at me? (Old Lunch), Sunday, 20 May 2018 00:08 (six years ago) link
Lulz
― an alfred hitchcock joint (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 20 May 2018 10:33 (six years ago) link
Blame Korg― El Tomboto, Friday, 18 May 2018 23:57 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink(also probably the name of some character in the wookieepedia)― El Tomboto, Friday, 18 May 2018 23:58 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― El Tomboto, Friday, 18 May 2018 23:57 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― El Tomboto, Friday, 18 May 2018 23:58 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
he's in thor: ragnarok actually
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic4.uk.businessinsider.com%2Fimage%2F59fc89555b026004411baabb-1190-625%2Fhow-this-lesser-known-marvel-character-became-a-scene-stealer-in-thor-ragnarok.jpg&f=1
― i am fast and full of teeth. i willl die in a barn fire (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 20 May 2018 11:20 (six years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.― System, Friday, May 18, 2018 8:01 PM Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkFuck you― El Tomboto, Saturday, May 19, 2018 12:42 AM Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkAutomatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.― System, Saturday, May 19, 2018 8:01 PM Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkGood comeback, System.― Now I know my ABCs. Next time won't you scream at me? (Old Lunch), Saturday, May 19, 2018 8:08 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 25 November 2018 16:50 (five years ago) link
not again :-/
"yes, that sounds like an excellent idea/yes, that's a f*cking excellent idea"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dQAlywMvCQ
― StanM, Saturday, 29 December 2018 12:56 (five years ago) link
I like that one since I can easily hear either option.
― DJI, Saturday, 29 December 2018 18:22 (five years ago) link
I hear "guinea pig".
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 29 December 2018 18:42 (five years ago) link
I unapologetically love this stupid stuff
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 29 December 2018 19:54 (five years ago) link
lol it's whichever you want to hear
― rip van wanko, Saturday, 29 December 2018 21:03 (five years ago) link