Man, he has trouble with this whole hand-motion/talking coordination.
― clemenza, Monday, 7 May 2018 23:26 (six years ago) link
Can't watch this right now but GO ANDREA FFS
― Simon H., Monday, 7 May 2018 23:27 (six years ago) link
Wow, the three post-mortem commentators all liked Horwath best.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 7 May 2018 23:30 (six years ago) link
Except for the guy talking now, who's saying Ford won because he didn't accidentally say he was going to kill every fourth new-born during his first 100 days. I take his point, but Horvath was far and away the best.
― clemenza, Monday, 7 May 2018 23:34 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I'm seriously considering voting NDP now. If so, it will be the first time since 1999 that I do so provincially, although I've voted NDP federally in every election since 1997.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 01:48 (six years ago) link
do it! do it!
― while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 03:47 (six years ago) link
i mean, this is an ABF election
― while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 03:54 (six years ago) link
Well, the PCs won't win my riding, regardless. (I was going to say "Ottawa Centre will elect a Tory when Massachusetts votes for a Republican Presidential candidate" but, actually, the latter has happened more recently than the former.)
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 10:34 (six years ago) link
Oh National Post...
http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i389/cryptosicko/IMG_0996_zpsvkpcveat.jpg?t=1525717360
― incel elgort (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:24 (six years ago) link
lol
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 18:49 (six years ago) link
trying to figure out which local trot is running the ONDP twitter
Chariot of the Proletariat 🔥🔥🔥 pic.twitter.com/xy9v0dnf8n— Ontario NDP (@OntarioNDP) May 9, 2018
in other local developments, guess who's a fucking moron
Here’s the link https://t.co/uTNW9UaKug— Jason Chapman (@_JasonChapman) May 9, 2018
― Simon H., Wednesday, 9 May 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link
why are they asking trump about ontario politics
― F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 17:57 (six years ago) link
Tbf, without context, it does seem like a bit of a condescending question. Had Ford just said or done something that suggested gross ignorance of basic Parliamentary procedure?
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 22:55 (six years ago) link
Known Quebec islamophobe on the cover of Urbania to celebrate their 15th anniversary! Supposedly that's the woke edition.
https://cdn.urbania.ca/media/2018/05/URBANIA_No47_15ans_C1-C4_Num47_v7_HR-425x545.jpg
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 10 May 2018 18:11 (six years ago) link
https://urbania.ca/article/richard-martineau-martyr-quebecois
Comment interprètes-tu notre page couverture ?Je suis une cible facile. Des fois, j’ai l’impression que pour rentrer dans une gang, t’es obligé de me lancer des flèches : « T’as fessé sur Martineau, tu peux faire partie du groupe, voici tes patchs… » Je représente plein d’affaires que les gens n’aiment pas, je fais un bon punching bag. Et à force de me faire rentrer dedans, je dis parfois de façon ironique que je suis un martyr pour la cause. Peut-être que je me complais dans le rôle de victime, à l’occasion.
Je suis une cible facile. Des fois, j’ai l’impression que pour rentrer dans une gang, t’es obligé de me lancer des flèches : « T’as fessé sur Martineau, tu peux faire partie du groupe, voici tes patchs… » Je représente plein d’affaires que les gens n’aiment pas, je fais un bon punching bag. Et à force de me faire rentrer dedans, je dis parfois de façon ironique que je suis un martyr pour la cause. Peut-être que je me complais dans le rôle de victime, à l’occasion.
― F# A# (∞), Thursday, 10 May 2018 18:34 (six years ago) link
;_; poor Dick Martineau.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 10 May 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link
Only in Quebec this type of stuff could happen without any sort of backlash.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 10 May 2018 20:44 (six years ago) link
Liberals are giving Texas oil company #KinderMorgan a blank cheque while dumping all the risks on CanadiansRigged process, First Nations & local communities shut out, oil spill threats, science ignored & now billions on the lineIt's clear this pipeline should not be built.— Jagmeet Singh (@theJagmeetSingh) May 16, 2018
jagmeet comes out against the kinder morgan pipeline, which is great. id imagine he may be running in burnaby south as kennedy stewart will resign to run of mayor of Vancouver.
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 17:39 (six years ago) link
Oh, good for him.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link
NDP is well ahead of the Liberals in provincial polling. I might have to sign up to do some (uuuugh) canvassing.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:09 (six years ago) link
*ON provincial polling, I should specify
can't we just nationalize the oil industry
― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:17 (six years ago) link
no, because the whole point is to make tons of money for corporations, wreck the environment, employ paltry numbers of workers, and pay ultra-low royalties
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:31 (six years ago) link
providing any tangible social good is anathema to the extraction industry
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link
I think natural resource rights are largely under provincial jurisdiction but I'd be for socializing the industry at that level.
I used to sometimes like to defend the NEP as a challop.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 18:57 (six years ago) link
Abacus has Ontario PCs and NDP in a tie: http://onpulse.ca/blog/entering-the-long-weekend-the-pc-lead-evaporates-as-ndp-momentum-builds
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 20 May 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/horwath-ndp-visits-ottawa-first-time-campaign-1.4671224
― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Sunday, 20 May 2018 22:39 (six years ago) link
Yeah, Joel Harden is a sessional at Carleton, which intrigues me a little.
In the wtf file, btw, this whole story: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/pc-doug-ford-stolen-data-allegations-1.4671063?cmp=rss
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 20 May 2018 23:30 (six years ago) link
After reviewing the ONDP's platform document, I'm honestly pretty unconvinced that the modest tax increases they're proposing - on larger corporations, the top 1% of income earners, and non-resident housing speculators, with a tax freeze on the 'middle class' and a reduction in small business taxes - could pay for the vast spending increases they're also proposing in virtually every area. This is actually a main reason why I've not voted for the ONDP, for the most part. To his credit, Bernie Sanders has been pretty upfront that he would need to raise taxes pretty significantly, including on the middle class, to pay for his platform in the US. That said, if the NDP is the best anti-Ford option, they're the best anti-Ford option. I just don't know what the government would actually look like because I'm not sure it could look like this platform.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 21 May 2018 01:21 (six years ago) link
Better something you are not sure you could like than straight up something you are going to hate, not that you didn't made the point but let me reiterate.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 21 May 2018 05:15 (six years ago) link
I agree, but I also agree w/ Sund4r that the ONDP (and the NDP more generally) hedge their bets far too much in terms of policy and I continue to believe that's their greatest liability at the ballot box.
― Simon H., Monday, 21 May 2018 05:36 (six years ago) link
The "you don't have to pick btwn bad and worse" messaging is actually not bad, but I wish there was more distance between their policy planks and the Liberals' to help back up the rhetoric (not to say there are non - pharmacare ain't nothing)
― Simon H., Monday, 21 May 2018 05:37 (six years ago) link
Another poll - by Ipsos, usually a Tory-leaning pollster, I thought? - showing a PC/NDP tie in Ontario, including a tie in the 905 region (!): https://globalnews.ca/news/4222975/ontario-election-pcs-ndp-tied-ipsos-poll/ .
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link
I still refuse to believe we're headed for anything but a PC minority
― Simon H., Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
A PC minority would be a lot better than PC sweep/majority, which is what everyone was anticipating a couple of weeks ago!
An NDP-Lib coalition could possibly emerge in that scenario (?), which might be great but idk if it would work.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:08 (six years ago) link
And, ha, I guess Horwath agrees with me about her platform: https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2018/05/20/ndp-will-block-gas-price-gouging-on-long-weekends-horwath-says.html
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 17:19 (six years ago) link
oof
and yeah I meant to say that a PC minority feels like the best-case scenario
it's obviously not the worst outcome but I *really* hate the idea of an NDP-Lib coalition, I see that not panning out well down the line
― Simon H., Tuesday, 22 May 2018 18:00 (six years ago) link
The only thing that troubles me about a coalition is the amount of ignorance and outrage it will whip up from people who have no idea how our government is supposed to work.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:04 (six years ago) link
Yeah, although that almost makes me want it to happen more. The Liberal-NDP accord in the 80s did some good things, by all accounts, and didn't really hurt either member at all.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 22:13 (six years ago) link
i'd prefer to avoid having to unfriend people from facebook when they inevitably let me down.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 23:26 (six years ago) link
The reason I dislike a coalition long term is because I want the NDP to distinguish themselves from the Liberals to the extent that coalitions are unthinkable. I fully realize this will never happen.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 22 May 2018 23:41 (six years ago) link
I would take the coalition over Doug Ford any day, praxis over theory imo.
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:14 (six years ago) link
tbc I agree, the former just seems like a much more likely outcome to me
― Simon H., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 03:21 (six years ago) link
err I mean the latter. I'm still convinced Ford will win.
Not only is it unlikely to happen but I don't think this should happen in a healthy multi-party Parliamentary democracy. Parties should be distinct enough from each other, and represent different interests, but they should also be capable of working together for the sake of good government imo. I think this is how some of the most successful social democracies work?
What else would you want to see in the ONDP platform, Simon?
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 05:45 (six years ago) link
Any of the seat projections I've seen do still have the Tories well ahead, btw.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 05:53 (six years ago) link
the BC greendp coalition has been working way better than I would have expected, and the centrist whining about evil unelected coalitions has been pretty irrelevant
― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 06:08 (six years ago) link
Horvath is tied with Ford in a poll that came out yesterday. I'm going to take a wild guess that Ford is not especially disciplined or effective campaigning from behind.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 11:53 (six years ago) link
Horwath...
― clemenza, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 11:54 (six years ago) link