Democratic (Party) Direction

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ooops: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/liberals-must-accept-beating-trump-was-never-going-be-easy-ncna871056

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2018 19:43 (eight years ago)

lame

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Obama-endorses-Feinstein-as-she-looks-to-fend-12888834.php

Οὖτις, Friday, 4 May 2018 21:48 (eight years ago)

Michael Tomasky had a good piece in Wednesday NYT about the Dems turning themselves into a coastal urban party. Clinton won 487 of the 3100 counties in the country.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 May 2018 22:08 (eight years ago)

yeah, the ones where people live

valorous wokelord (silby), Friday, 4 May 2018 22:38 (eight years ago)

^urban latte-lovin' elitist

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 May 2018 22:53 (eight years ago)

I don’t think I’m an elitist but the other two can’t be denied

valorous wokelord (silby), Friday, 4 May 2018 22:56 (eight years ago)

here

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/01/opinion/the-democrats-real-diversity-problem.html

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 May 2018 22:57 (eight years ago)

that is not a good piece

Οὖτις, Friday, 4 May 2018 23:00 (eight years ago)

tbf the NYT opinion page generally a cesspool of poorly thought out attempts at attention-grabbing handwringing

Οὖτις, Friday, 4 May 2018 23:01 (eight years ago)

it's not a point without merit (local and state politics matters), but to argue it without mentioning the popular vote (which clinton won) and the electoral college is, at best, bad faith.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 4 May 2018 23:04 (eight years ago)

Tomasky leads with something that is very debatable (Crowley is not "perched to succeed" gimme a break), then trots out the usual shit about the parties' shrinkage during the last couple election cycles, at which point I stopped reading. Maybe he got around to addressing the party's resurgence in special elections winning where they normally wouldn't be and improving their turnout in places like Kansas and Iowa and fucking Alabama but I didn't have the patience to wade through the opening bad faith arguments.

Οὖτις, Friday, 4 May 2018 23:04 (eight years ago)

his regular gig at nyrb astounds me

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 May 2018 23:14 (eight years ago)

https://ballotpedia.org/Andrew_Janz

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 6 May 2018 20:10 (eight years ago)

Progressives should ask themselves: When's the last time you heard any Trump supporters talking about the need to understand you? You haven't. That ought to tell you something.

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/understanding-trump-supporters/

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 7 May 2018 11:47 (eight years ago)

They could have published that piece in all the places it appeared, let the comments accumulate a couple of days, then just published those under the headline: "Progressives: This is what Trump voters think of you."

Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Monday, 7 May 2018 11:54 (eight years ago)

To wit: http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article210497509.html

Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Monday, 7 May 2018 11:55 (eight years ago)

so, i know how trump voters feel about me ("think" is not an appropriate word here, i don't believe) and i feel just about the same about them. where do we go from here?

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Monday, 7 May 2018 12:35 (eight years ago)

for Leonard Pitts to write that column is like reading a defense of socialism from George F. Will.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 May 2018 12:38 (eight years ago)

Haha yeah I was surprised too, but otoh I don't think I've seen a Pitts column since 2003 or so

cr.ht (crüt), Monday, 7 May 2018 14:11 (eight years ago)

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/07/608649799/republican-fears-about-holding-the-senate-start-to-sink-in

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 7 May 2018 14:23 (eight years ago)

so, i know how trump voters feel about me ("think" is not an appropriate word here, i don't believe) and i feel just about the same about them. where do we go from here?

maybe start talking to the 231,556,622 eligible voters in the US that didn't vote Trump

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 7 May 2018 14:33 (eight years ago)

er, the 46% of that total. that's a hell of a lot of people ignored

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 7 May 2018 14:36 (eight years ago)

how? a lot of them are deplorably rude. the insult-to-decent-thought ratio among "conservative" friends and family who didn't vote (or didn't vote for donnie moscow) is often difficult to respect, leaving aside the general anti-intellectual / anti-expert / anti-fact stance

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 7 May 2018 14:42 (eight years ago)

maybe i didn't express myself clearly, i don't know. my question is this - are there personal consequences to dismissing tens of millions, at minimum, of people as irredeemable human garbage? if so, what are they?

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 12:58 (eight years ago)

You may not be invited to Thanksgiving dinner at your uncle Sal's house.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 14:23 (eight years ago)

i was thinking more along the lines of building up into a spiral of misanthropy that's left me wanting to resign my membership in the species, if you know what i mean, a fair amount of the time

but sure awkward family dinners probably factor into it too

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 01:54 (eight years ago)

how many times can we have this same discussion

k3vin k., Wednesday, 9 May 2018 19:50 (eight years ago)

holy shit at those senate fundraising numbers xxxp

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 19:52 (eight years ago)

If you want a friend, get a job. If you're cute, sit next to me.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 19:53 (eight years ago)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/09/politics/cnn-poll-generic-ballot-narrows/index.html

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 19:54 (eight years ago)

Generic ballots don't matter now. Enthusiasm does.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 19:55 (eight years ago)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/09/politics/cnn-poll-generic-ballot-narrows/index.html

― reggie (qualmsley)

yes let's all obsess about the polls because that worked so fucking well in 2016, and also because those polls were totally dead-on about that asshole in west virginia so we should definitely panic at every time there's a slightly unfavorable trend in a poll

getting people registered is the only important thing right now. what people think or believe doesn't matter until october at the earliest.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:30 (eight years ago)

a Nate Silver story from April 2010:

A couple of weeks ago, we examined the potential upside case for Democrats in November’s midterms. If the party were able to limit their losses to about 20 House seats and 3-4 Senate seats, it might not have as deleterious an effect on their policy agenda as you might think.

But that is the upside case for Democrats. It is not the base case, and it is certainly not the worst case — both of which look as grim as ever. Although I think people may somewhat underestimate the probability of a shift in momentum back toward the Democrats, they may simultaneously be underestimating the magnitude of losses that might occur if momentum fails to change, or moves in the other direction.

For starters, let’s look at the state of the generic congressional ballot. The Real Clear Politics average now shows Republicans with a 2.3 point lead. How does that translate in terms of a potential loss of seats for the Democrats?

Let’s suppose for a moment that, in November, the Democrats lose the national house popular vote by a margin of 2.3 points. It is actually not safe to assume that a 2.3-point deficit in generic ballot polls translates to a 2.3-point loss in the House popular vote — but we’ll get to that ambiguity in a moment.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/generic-ballot-points-toward-possible/

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:38 (eight years ago)

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/upshot/unable-to-excite-the-base-moderate-candidates-still-tend-to-outdo-extreme-ones.html

Annoyed by the over-interpretation of this I saw on twitter from centrist moderate types. Not enough discussion of funding and the role that plays in getting primary votes. Also "extreme" defined so widely it could mean anything. But DCCC establishment types will interpret this how they please.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 May 2018 00:10 (eight years ago)

The frequency with which Booker Brown Gillibrand Harris Sanders Warren et al team up in a way that pushes the Democrats' legislative agenda to the left while neutralizing the goofy bickering between their whackjob stans is actually quite heartening. Our children is learning.

— Sean T. Collins (@theseantcollins) May 9, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 10 May 2018 03:32 (eight years ago)

hmm....

Nhex, Thursday, 10 May 2018 03:56 (eight years ago)

otm!

k3vin k., Thursday, 10 May 2018 04:07 (eight years ago)

Sean’s otm. It’s a good sign but I’m reticent about being optimistic.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 10 May 2018 04:53 (eight years ago)

You know what we say about Rubio? Booker is that, but Yale.

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) May 9, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 May 2018 04:54 (eight years ago)

I would guess Booker’s presidential campaign would be about as successful as Rubio’s. “Presidential” from afar or maybe in limited moments but flop up close and weirdness exposed amidst the duration.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 10 May 2018 05:52 (eight years ago)

saw him speak at a dinner and flop up close is otm

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 10 May 2018 20:09 (eight years ago)

His whole Newark projects story felt like something preconceived to make the perfect This American Life episode. Or maybe campaign stump story.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 10 May 2018 20:12 (eight years ago)

His story/schtick works at college graduation events-- I saw him do one (until you realize he delivers the same one everywhere and look into his past. But we're tougher on our candidates flaws than Republicans are on theirs).

Meanwhile rich Republicans using their tax cut to try to stop any blue wave

Las Vegas casino mogul Sheldon Adelson has cut a $30 million check to the House GOP-aligned Congressional Leadership Fund, a massive cash infusion that top Republicans hope will alter the party's electoral outlook six months before Election Day

curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 May 2018 20:38 (eight years ago)

well I would obviously vote for him for pres if he were the nominee and wouldn't be loudly talking shit about him at that stage, but I don't see him as a likely all that viable candidate. Although it's not like there's anyone in the pool that looks like a clear winner right now.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 10 May 2018 20:42 (eight years ago)

I've never warmed to Booker. I'm Team Kamala all the way at this point. I'd be happy with Gillibrand too. Bernie and Biden are too old and doddering.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 May 2018 20:49 (eight years ago)

I'll take Harris but I still want it to be Duckworth more

valorous wokelord (silby), Thursday, 10 May 2018 21:50 (eight years ago)

Kamala's prosecutor instincts are a deal breaker for me. I'm pretty sure I'm in the tank for Gillibrand at this particular juncture.

El Tomboto, Thursday, 10 May 2018 21:54 (eight years ago)

Booker's a whore.

El Tomboto, Thursday, 10 May 2018 21:54 (eight years ago)

I’m fairly close to self identifying as a “Gillibro”

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 10 May 2018 22:08 (eight years ago)


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