lololol
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 21:07 (fifteen years ago) link
I love how the only two things anyone can seem to think to do with taxpayers' money is: bail out Wall Street, or write personal checks. Oh or go to war. And by love I mean hate.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 22:04 (fifteen years ago) link
Senate passes revised bailout 74-25. McCain and Obama both voted for it, so there ya go.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 October 2008 02:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes. It would be nice if taxpayer money would be used for you know ... good stuff, that helps us. While it's easy to argue the free flow of credit is essential to the economy, it's not easy to argue why we have to subsidize the idiocihogiheoih oh man, there's just no point. We'll never win.
― burt_stanton, Thursday, 2 October 2008 02:45 (fifteen years ago) link
I mean man, Barney Fruitcake Frank and all those guys, they're in on the scam, too. It goes ... all the way to the top! You know it went all the way somewhere, but the top's a little surprising.
― burt_stanton, Thursday, 2 October 2008 02:46 (fifteen years ago) link
New Tax earmarks in Bailout bill- Film and Television Productions (Sec. 502)- 6 page package of earmarks for litigants in the 1989 Exxon Valdez incident, Alaska (Sec. 504)
And you thought the money was just going to Wall Street!
― Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 2 October 2008 02:46 (fifteen years ago) link
they tacked on 100bn of stuff according to BBC. They had em over a pork barrel alright.
― stet, Thursday, 2 October 2008 02:52 (fifteen years ago) link
I was under the impression that actually the bailout stuff got tacked on to an existing unrelated bill rather than vice versa. But I could be mistaken.
― Everything is Highlighted (Hurting 2), Thursday, 2 October 2008 02:54 (fifteen years ago) link
er actually nevermind I think the story I read wasn't pertaining to those earmarks
― Everything is Highlighted (Hurting 2), Thursday, 2 October 2008 03:03 (fifteen years ago) link
“The bailout legislation that the Senate is sending back to the House is a fraternal twin to the one I voted against on Monday — meet the new bill, same as the old bill,” said Representative Joe Barton, Republican of Texas.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/business/02bailout.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
Only a third of the Senate's members are up for re-election on November 4, compared with all representatives in the house, so there may be fewer qualms about voting for the measure, which is unpopular among voters.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24432015-2703,00.html
― Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 2 October 2008 03:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Is there a Bob Barr thread? I don't see one...
― Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 2 October 2008 03:19 (fifteen years ago) link
Not specifically, I think.
NY Times story about all the power players going nutzoid on Sep. 17-18
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 October 2008 03:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Here's more about that emergency meeting a couple of weeks back:
Mr. Paulson and Mr. Bernanke trooped up to Capitol Hill for a somber session with Congressional leaders. “That meeting was one of the most astounding experiences I’ve had in my 34 years in politics,” Senator Schumer recalled.As the members of Congress and their aides listened, the two laid out their plan. They would begin offering federal insurance to money market funds immediately, in order to stop the run on money funds.In addition, the S.E.C. would institute a ban on short-selling of financial stocks. Although Treasury officials concede that the move was mostly symbolic — investors can still buy put options that have the same effect as shorting stocks — they did it mainly “to scare the hell out of everybody,” as one official put it.After Mr. Bernanke made his remark about the possibility that there might not be an economy on Monday without this plan, you could hear a pin drop.“I gulped,” Mr. Schumer said.Congressional leaders were nearly unanimous in saying that it needed to be done for the good of the country. Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio — the Republican House leader who a week later would lead the revolt against the plan — said it was time to put politics aside and move quickly, according to several participants. (An aide to Mr. Boehner denied that he voiced support for the plan, only that he made a plea for cooperation.)Hearing that Mr. Bernanke and Mr. Paulson wanted legislation passed in a matter of days, the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, expressed astonishment. “This is the United States Senate,” he said. “We can’t do it in that time frame.” His Republican counterpart, Senator Mitch McConnell, replied, “This time we can.”
As the members of Congress and their aides listened, the two laid out their plan. They would begin offering federal insurance to money market funds immediately, in order to stop the run on money funds.
In addition, the S.E.C. would institute a ban on short-selling of financial stocks. Although Treasury officials concede that the move was mostly symbolic — investors can still buy put options that have the same effect as shorting stocks — they did it mainly “to scare the hell out of everybody,” as one official put it.
After Mr. Bernanke made his remark about the possibility that there might not be an economy on Monday without this plan, you could hear a pin drop.
“I gulped,” Mr. Schumer said.
Congressional leaders were nearly unanimous in saying that it needed to be done for the good of the country. Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio — the Republican House leader who a week later would lead the revolt against the plan — said it was time to put politics aside and move quickly, according to several participants. (An aide to Mr. Boehner denied that he voiced support for the plan, only that he made a plea for cooperation.)
Hearing that Mr. Bernanke and Mr. Paulson wanted legislation passed in a matter of days, the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, expressed astonishment. “This is the United States Senate,” he said. “We can’t do it in that time frame.” His Republican counterpart, Senator Mitch McConnell, replied, “This time we can.”
Well, kinda.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 October 2008 03:30 (fifteen years ago) link
lol polls:
#78% of Americans want a bailout but most want significant changes ...Nearly eight out of 10 Americans 78% say Congress should approve an historic bailout of the nation's financial markets, but most want lawmakers to ...www.usatoday.com/money/economy/2008-09-25-poll-results_N.htm - 49k - Cached - Similar pages
L.A. Times/Bloomberg poll: Only 31% favor bailout | L.A. Land ...Sep 23, 2008 ... The rapidly changing landscape of the Los Angeles real estate market.latimesblogs.latimes.com/laland/2008/09/la-timesbloombe.html - 105k - Cached - Similar pages
LewRockwell.com Blog: Just 7% Favor Fed Bailout for Financial FirmsJust 7% Favor Fed Bailout for Financial Firms. Posted by James Ostrowski at September 22, 2008 07:57 AM. Just 7% Favor Fed Bailout for Financial Firms ...www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/022992.html - 6k - Cached - Similar pages
― Everything is Highlighted (Hurting 2), Thursday, 2 October 2008 04:54 (fifteen years ago) link
enjoying krugman's schadenfreude over this: http://powerlineblog.com/archives/011291.php
― joe 40oz (deej), Thursday, 2 October 2008 04:58 (fifteen years ago) link
more on raising the FDIC limit
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/business/01ideas.html?scp=1&sq=small%20banks&st=cse
― gabbneb, Thursday, 2 October 2008 05:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Wachovia bank has frozen the accounts of nearly 1,000 colleges, leaving institutions unable to access billions of dollars they depend on for salaries, campus construction, and debt payments.
i am, how you say, close to someone whose paycheck is dependent on one of these places. it's no joke. things are getting worked out, but there were some freak-out moments earlier in the week. like, imagine someone comes up to you and says, "um...all your money? yeah, someone just stuck it in a safe with a big lock on it, and only they know the combination. oh, did you need to buy groceries next week? well, we'll see if we can work something out."
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 2 October 2008 05:54 (fifteen years ago) link
(and in above scenario, imagine "all your money" is tens of millions of dollars, and "groceries" is hundreds of people's paychecks.)
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 2 October 2008 05:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Ed and Kondratieff are way off base here - are you guys paying any attention to what's going on in terms of interbank and municipal credit?
And what I am saying is cut the banks out of this, use the $700bn as a line of credit to enterprises, states, counties, municipalities. Unblock the economy not the banking system. The banking system can follow later when we have time to put in proper regulation possibly including flogging for the CEO's of over leveraged firms. We can let the turmoil continue in the banking sector and concentrate on priming the rest of the economy. Hell, a lot of that money will start trickling back into banks, hows that for some trickle down economics.
― Christopher Blix Hammer (Ed), Thursday, 2 October 2008 08:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Barney Fruitcake Frank
wow, funny
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 2 October 2008 10:01 (fifteen years ago) link
I know you guys all read Big Picture anyway, but Ritholz has posted the best systematic rebuttal of the wingnut theories blaming the credit crisis on CRA or the GSE's that I've yet seen:
Making the rounds amongst a certain subset of wingnuts on CNBC, at IBD and other selfconfoozled folks has been the meme that the entire housing and credit crisis traces to the the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) of 1977. An alternative zombie myth is the credit crisis is due to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. A 1999 article from the New York Times about the GSE's role in subprime mortgages has been circulating as if its the rosetta stone of the credit crisis.
These memes have become a rallying cry -- cognitive dissonance writ large -- of those folks who have been pushing for greater and greater deregulation, and are now attempting to disown the results of their handiwork.
I feel compelled to set the record straight about this pseudo-intellectual detritus...
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/10/misunderstandin.html
― o. nate, Thursday, 2 October 2008 14:45 (fifteen years ago) link
silent run on Wachovia
― gabbneb, Thursday, 2 October 2008 14:56 (fifteen years ago) link
San Francisco-based Wells, a major West Coast retail bank, was the front runner but decided to pass because officials were worried about a piece of Wachovia's commercial loan portfolio, one of the sources said.
So not pretending that Wells Fargo is faultless or going to escape this, but when I read decisions like this I have a little more confidence in them in general.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 October 2008 14:58 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.kottke.org/plus/misc/images/here-be-dragons.jpg
― al kaline trio (dan m), Thursday, 2 October 2008 16:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Arrr
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 October 2008 16:59 (fifteen years ago) link
two fox news anchors are absolutely destroying some GOP senator they're interviewing about the bailout
― vast variety of steens where we get our HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 2 October 2008 17:55 (fifteen years ago) link
tag team match two on one
Which senator?
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 October 2008 17:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Genuis lessons.
"A major insurance company -- one with a name that everyone knows that's on the verge of going bankrupt. That's what this is all about," Reid said prior to the Senate's approval of the $700 billion bailout bill.
And then, predictably, to avoid, I guess, accusations of being a retard:
"Senator Reid is not personally aware of any particular company being on the verge of bankruptcy. He has no special knowledge about [a bankruptcy] nor has he talked to any insurance company officials," said Jim Manley, spokesman for Sen. Reid, in an email to CNNMoney.com."
― Dandy Don Weiner, Thursday, 2 October 2008 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link
"fruitcake" reminds me of http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:n1RDGehUbfxY5M:http://bp3.blogger.com/_1SBqFueoJQo/R4QIeuWDrDI/AAAAAAAAAMo/G3LeOsanCPA/s320/Stanley%2BRoper.jpgDoes anybody srsly say "fruitcake" anymore?
― Maria :D, Thursday, 2 October 2008 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link
joe six-pack
― Kerm, Thursday, 2 October 2008 20:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Presumably there is something similar (to the Bradford & Bingley nationalization) there for HBOS should it become impossible for Lloyds TSB to proceed with its rescue. And equally they must be alert to some of the difficulties faced in other parts of the financial system which it would be unhelpful to name publicly.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-business/article-23562887-details/Piece+by+piece+is+best+for+now/article.do
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 2 October 2008 23:34 (fifteen years ago) link
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081003/wells_fargo_wachovia.html
― gabbneb, Friday, 3 October 2008 14:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Huh. Well, okay then!
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 October 2008 14:56 (fifteen years ago) link
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122303190029501925.html
― gabbneb, Friday, 3 October 2008 15:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Great. The bank in charge of my mortgage just bought the bank with my checking and savings accounts.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 3 October 2008 15:01 (fifteen years ago) link
haha me too!!!
― Maverick (Mr. Que), Friday, 3 October 2008 15:04 (fifteen years ago) link
But Citigroup may challenge the deal on legal grounds, and is considering increasing its bid for Wachovia.
Weird.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 October 2008 15:04 (fifteen years ago) link
not really
― gabbneb, Friday, 3 October 2008 15:05 (fifteen years ago) link
jill wine-cooler?
― David R., Friday, 3 October 2008 15:05 (fifteen years ago) link
lol looks like oreillys portfolios not doing too good
― joe six pak (ice crӕm), Friday, 3 October 2008 15:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Why do people go on O'Reilly?
― Any cook should be able to run the country. (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 3 October 2008 15:40 (fifteen years ago) link
"You blame everybody else!"
HA!
― Any cook should be able to run the country. (Ned Trifle II), Friday, 3 October 2008 15:41 (fifteen years ago) link
i feel like there should be a catch phrase like "you are an overly loud barely human piece of shit" everyone who goes on his show responds with when he starts yelling at them
― joe six pak (ice crӕm), Friday, 3 October 2008 15:43 (fifteen years ago) link
lol wow @ o'reilly/frank
― sleep, Friday, 3 October 2008 15:47 (fifteen years ago) link
where have i heard that before?
― gabbneb, Friday, 3 October 2008 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link
when is someone gonna go on O'Reilly and just start aping him when he does his little bullshit dance?
― gabbneb, Friday, 3 October 2008 15:57 (fifteen years ago) link
― joe six pak (ice crӕm), Friday, 3 October 2008 16:01 (fifteen years ago) link
someone who isn't a comedian, thx
― gabbneb, Friday, 3 October 2008 16:05 (fifteen years ago) link
can someone loan California $7 billion? k thx bye
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 3 October 2008 16:06 (fifteen years ago) link