abortion classic or dud?

omg

LOL

still feelin bad for that dude :(

noone warns you about the vicious wave of regret.

You may have been warned, but did not regard it in the same way. Which makes sense. At the time you were faced with a wholly different set of circumstances and were working from a different pov.

Don't castigate yourself now. That sense of desperation you felt then was real enough.

I said this on another thread but I felt after mine that it was kind of right-wing propaganda that you were supposed to feel fucked up afterward. Things wld have been a lot easier if someone had said, "No, it's a complicated thing and of course it's okay and often natural to have volatile, unpredictable emotions. You're still a good person."

but apparently at the moment 51% of usa is pro life

i didn't know this : /

for some reason i was under the impression that with males it's about 50-50,
and 60-40 with females (in favor of choice)

I'd say 45% prefers it to be legal and rare while another 45% thinks it should be illegal with certain exceptions.

but apparently at the moment 51% of usa is pro life

i didn't know this : /

source

noone warns you about the vicious wave of regret.

You may have been warned, but did not regard it in the same way. Which makes sense. At the time you were faced with a wholly different set of circumstances and were working from a different pov.

Don't castigate yourself now. That sense of desperation you felt then was real enough.

― Aimless, Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

no i was warned it would happen directly after and it didnt. i didnt think anything of it after or for the next 15 years but when i did have a kid it was like holy shit. the gravity of it smacked me in the face.

I'm kind of surprised not to have seen anything on George Tiller's murder here. Fucking horrible.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hEsxTHOvCbc954sBWc59DuoqWxiwD98J7UOG0

"As one of a few doctors across the nation to perform third-trimester abortions, Tiller had survived an earlier shooting, his clinic was bombed, his home picketed. He hired a Brink's armored truck to take him to work for several weeks, and he frequently had the protection of federal marshals. He built a new surgical center without windows and was known to wear a bulletproof vest, sometimes even to church."

That someone would have to go through all that (and still get murdered!) because they preform a medical procedure is beyond ridiculous.

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Also, seriously PETA?

http://www.kansas.com/946/story/836204.html

Fuck you <3 E (a vegetarian for over 16 years)

"That someone would have to go through all that (and still get murdered!) because they preform a medical procedure is beyond ridiculous."

You're dealing with some serious psychopaths on the so called "Right to Life" side. Almost al-Queada like delusion.

I know. That's why it's beyond ridiculous.

RIP Tiller, sorry there are some really twisted fucks in this world.

Keith's show the day this happened was really good, albeit heartbreaking.

hero, that dude.

Yes, definitely.

This was passed on to me by one of my former professors and I think it's a pretty great concept:

I Am Dr. Tiller

More info about the site here.

That's wonderful and is going to make me cry. A lot.

wow, ditto and thanks, Erica!

a good roundup of some testimonials from dr. tiller's patients.

Sullivan's run a slew of heartbreaking posts in the last week.

Protesters bored, miss their reason for existing :-(

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/08/us/08wichita.html?_r=3&hp=&pagewanted=all

Tiller clinic closes:

http://www.ourbodiesourblog.org/blog/2009/06/dr-george-tillers-clinic-closes-for-good

And the assassin proclaims victory. I am not normally in favor of torture, but someone Abu Ghraib this fuck.

what for

fun

http://mobile.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/10/07/okla_abortion/index.html

read that. wtf are they thinking? ok i know what they're thinking but x-(

infuriating

I just posted a link about this on facebook. I AM SO ANGRY!

shit like this makes me want to secede and start my own country, whos with me?

Christ, what next? Forcing women who have had abortions to wear red armbands with foetus symbols on them?

Crazy. They can't do that, can they? It doesn't seem legally possible, and I am too lazy to comb through the whole issue. I want someone here to do it and then put it in a nutshell, please.

Let's not give them ideas because obviously there is no limit to the CRAZY.

what the fucking fuck how can this possibly be legal

the good guys are attacking on procedural merits, but I can't help but think that there might be legit privacy concerns (legally). I looked over the opening questions of the questionnaire and they really did seem like they'd be enough to ID someone from small town. doubt it'd get by a univ IRB for instance

tbh i'm not sure it is legal but they do this all the time--pass an abortion law they suspect is unconstitutional or violates privacy laws because they want to see it challenged in courts that are favorable to them. so even if it's struck down they come out with case law that supports them overall. i think that's why the challengers tried the "single-subject rule" method first, to avoid getting a ruling about health privacy or abortion. xp

^^^this seems savvy

I don't know if this is any crazier than the healthcare "argument" about not using any of the federal money/tax credits for ANY insurance packages that, as part of their standard coverage MIGHT include abortions IN THE EVENT that you are even a woman and therefore hypothetically eligible for one at some point in your life.

The result of which, of course, would be for insurance companies to drop abortion coverage from all their plans. Which HEY is a lot easier than taking the issue back to the Supreme Court, huh guys?

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/oklahoma.html

So there are only 6 abortion providers in the entire state of OK, a parental cosent law and a 24 hour waiting period. This is yet another law that might discourage women who are afraid of their identities being discovered (which in small towns could easily be done from the questions like Ev said) from obtaining abortions. Great.

Ha when I got an abortion I was worried somehow people were able to magically scan my mind & see this happened – let's just make the paranoia a reality, eh?

*googles*

(j/k <3 u abbs)

hahahahahahaha

Are you fucking kidding me? Why on earth are you going to go & give a list of names & personal info to the same nutjobs who would murder doctors for the prestige of (legal) martyrdom? The very existence of such a list/database is essentially an open sanctioning of, at best, harassment & exclusion.

does not include the name, address or "any information specifically identifying the patient." - I guess I should actually read things before indulging kneejerk posting impulses. Still, tho, a dubious proposition, the fuckheads.

cervix-a-lot is concerned

wow, what the fuck

this is not OK, lahoma

a store i worked at a couple of years ago, we'd occasionally get these faxes from an abortion clinic in another city, containing patient's full info. i rang them twice to tell them what was going on, you'd think they'd be a little more fucking careful. what if i was some religious nutto? that kind of info is a loaded gun in the wrong hands.