Dear Morrissey . . .

I'm not really surprised by his racism so much as his stupidity, he really is a dolt.

xpost - tbc it's not like I've only just realized this

"what did he do now": the morrissey thread

@'ing Nick B, thanks for all your excellent points

I have some responses but I think they're just derail-y

Johnny Marr is back in MCR since a few years ago.

― suzy, Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:29 PM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

let it be known that I first parsed this as My Chemical Romance and was very confused

I did the same.

I was (ovo-lacto) vegetarian until my mid-20s and I didn't find it more expensive at all? I don't think lentils and tofu are more expensive than meat? Not saying I'm going back.

Tofu is very expensive in the UK! But lentils are dirt cheap yeah. But I also have to cook for a 16 year with autism, which is a tough gig, believe me! I'd happily buy shitloads of beans and pulses and chickpeas and keep it simple, in fact I try to do that - but when you cook things that don't get eaten and the dog can't have them because of the garlic/onions it feels like a dreadful waste.

Does he actually not think that halal meat existed before ISIS btw? I'm trying to wrap my head around that one.

He would know that, he grew up in the UK after all, Muslims aren't exactly a novelty, I don't what he's talking about tbh.

No point trying to find any sense in this fool's pronouncements. Or any logic to his spiel at all, he's just an incredibly stupid narcissist + racist twat who was over-indulged for too long.

i can't find anything about this supposed For Britain animal rights policy fwiw

Another group called Britain First murdered an MP in cold blood in the street a couple of years back. I didn't hear Morrissey's views on that incident.

"In modern Britain everyone seems petrified to officially say what we all say in private. Politicians tell us they are unafraid, but they are never the victims. How easy to be unafraid when one is protected from the line of fire. The people have no such protections."

fwiw

How easy to be unafraid when one is protected from the line of fire - Morrissey

Re: For Britain's animal rights policy - not sure if they're even properly set up as a party or ever will be, so individual policies is a bit of a stretch. Guessing he's in regular contact with Anne Marie Waters and she agrees with him about this stuff, and that's about it.

I am kind of grimly fascinated with her as a person who manages to be Irish, a lesbian and LGBT activist, a self-identified feminist, a former director of the National Secular Society, but also a straight-up fascist, on the board of Pegida UK and with connections to every British far-right or white nationalist group you can think of. How does she manage to square those things? Is this something we're going to see more of in the future?

End the live export of animals;
End religious slaughter;
Prioritise a culture of animal welfare in agriculture;

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/forbritain/pages/113/attachments/original/1519030879/Manfiesto_2.pdf?1519030879

xp she is very confusing - a British nationalist from Dublin, someone who was in contention to be a Labour parliamentary candidate four or five years ago but who didn’t get the gig and defected to UKIP, so weird, so contrary

I guess that Irish blood, English heart nonsense of Morrissey’s would have appealed to her anyway

That is quite a policy document right there. Who in their right mind would support that apparently random mix of reactionary tabloid fascism and half-digested social democracy? Apart from Morrissey ofc.

Maybe she's in the Moseley mode of just shopping around ideologies looking for someone to give her power before ending up a fascist.

Re: For Britain's animal rights policy - not sure if they're even properly set up as a party or ever will be, so individual policies is a bit of a stretch. Guessing he's in regular contact with Anne Marie Waters and she agrees with him about this stuff, and that's about it.

I didn't know that she was either Irish (!) or a former Labour member. She was shortlisted in Brighton Pavilion in 2013 when her views were already known by the party!
http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2013/07/19/labour-poised-to-choose-parliamentary-candidate-for-brighton-pavilion/22599/

But I suppose it's no less contradictory than Morrissey being a massive racist to almost every group out there but yet seeming to be supportive of his Mexican fans?

no principle is so horrifying that money won't cause him to overlook it

But I suppose it's no less contradictory than Morrissey being a massive racist to almost every group out there but yet seeming to be supportive of his Mexican fans?

― gyac, Tuesday, April 17, 2018 3:51 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in a documentary from years back he talks about how much he loves his mexican fans but mentions their beautiful teeth and hair, like he was talking about a breed of dog he liked. weird creep

Convenience-food vegetarian can be quite pricey. My 2 stepkids are veg (and ones also coeliac on top of that urgh) and sometimes, one is too exhausted after work to cook a meal of fresh veg/beans, so the easy thing is an Amys burrito or a few of the Vegie Delights pakoras on some rice, but 1 burrito is $5 fucking dollars and one tiny bag of frozen pakoras is $7.

a former director of the National Secular Society, but also a straight-up fascist

I don't know anything much about the national secular society, are they *those* kind of secular people?

i mean i'm basing this on their being called the 'national secular society' but every single member is basically pat condell

Yeah, a vegetarian diet can be more labour-intensive because it's not compatible with easily available convenience food options, and it doesn't make sense for a lot of people (I obv decided that it doesn't for me) but I just don't think it makes sense to frame it as an essentially privileged lifestyle choice. There are loads of vegetarians in India who are significantly poorer than most working-class Anglo-Americans.

Doesn't the demand of a huge vegetarian population of Hindus in India drive down the price of it a bit though? I wouldn't call it a privileged lifestyle choice there, it is completely different there, I agree.

i mean i'm basing this on their being called the 'national secular society' but every single member is basically pat condell

... who I'd never heard of till right now. I see he's Irish too.

Please please please let me get what i want (a racially homogenous white ethnostate)

What does he see in her?

(those are adaptations of smiths song lyrics, do u see)

No, no this isn't funny tho. Of ppl i liked in my teens, even martin fucking amis doesn't retrospectively embarass me as much as this fool

List of Honorary Associates of the National Secular Society is quite an odd bunch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Secular_Society#Honorary_Associates

Iain Banks, Edward Bond, Stewart Lee, Graham Linehan, Jonathan Meades, Jonathan Miller and Philip Pullman are all basically alright by me, on the other hand they do also have Nick Cohen, Richard Dawkins, Ricky Gervais, David Starkey and Polly Toynbee, none of whom I would particularly like to be stuck in a club with.

I wonder if he knows that the metropolitan elites he scorns so = his audience and the legitimate concerners he loves couldn't care less about his music.

I am kind of grimly fascinated with her as a person who manages to be Irish, a lesbian and LGBT activist, a self-identified feminist, a former director of the National Secular Society, but also a straight-up fascist, on the board of Pegida UK and with connections to every British far-right or white nationalist group you can think of. How does she manage to square those things? Is this something we're going to see more of in the future?

Has been a strategy on the far right for a while now: position yourself as tolerant towards lgbtq people and women, try to get those demographics onside for your islamophobia. Of course that Friendly Face of Fascism disappears as soon as they get any power.

Iain Banks, Edward Bond, Stewart Lee, Graham Linehan, Jonathan Meades, Jonathan Miller and Philip Pullman are all basically alright by me, on the other hand they do also have Nick Cohen, Richard Dawkins, Ricky Gervais, David Starkey and Polly Toynbee, none of whom I would particularly like to be stuck in a club with.

People who get too serious about their atheism provoke instant eyeroll reactions from me at this point, but tbf Stewart Lee had a real hate campaign started against him by x-ian fringe groups.

Not sure I'd really relish alone time with Pullman either.

Yeah, a vegetarian diet can be more labour-intensive because it's not compatible with easily available convenience food options

I have news for you about: chips (yeah, I know, not all chips, but most chips)

Also the thread should not be without

I'm starting to think his girlfriend was only pretending to be in a coma.

— Richard Barrett (@RichardKBarrett) April 17, 2018

I can’t listen to The Smiths anymore without cheering for the double-decker bus and the ten ton-truck.

— F. Sdrigotti (@f_sd) April 17, 2018

I am kind of grimly fascinated with her as a person who manages to be Irish, a lesbian and LGBT activist, a self-identified feminist, a former director of the National Secular Society, but also a straight-up fascist, on the board of Pegida UK and with connections to every British far-right or white nationalist group you can think of. How does she manage to square those things? Is this something we're going to see more of in the future?

If I remember correctly, approximately half of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal and, according to a recent study, 64% of young French Muslims deem it an unacceptable sexual orientation. It's no secret that mainstream Islam is intolerant of the LGBTQ+ community, and I'm assuming this drives activists such as her to associate with unsavoury groups. Of course, this completely disregards the fact that Christianity can be (and often is) just as homophobic, or that gay-friendliness is a facade more often than not for the far-right, or that opposition to religiously-rooted homophobia needn't devolve into racism, etc.

In his honor I shall eat copious amounts of meat today.

I'm glad I was never all that enamored with him (I like only a few Smiths songs and his solo stuff is eminently forgettable).

maybe morrissey is making all these shitty statements so he can find the twitter eggs

In his honor I shall eat copious amounts of meat today.

please don't.

Too late.

Morrissey responds to interview controversy by issuing a statement urging everyone to support 'For Britain':

For Britain is the bulldog breed that will never surrender.

The kind people
Have a wonderful dream
Morrissey on a life support machine

This is my last political strike.
If only.

maybe morrissey is making all these shitty statements so he can find the twitter eggs

― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, April 18, 2018 10:28 AM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao

Bulldogs? Can’t breathe, short lifespan, skull squeezes brains, and the poor things are built so ridiculously after centuries of inbreeding that most can only give birth by c-section. Bulldogs are the embodiment of animal cruelty, you stupid piece of shit culchie fash.

https://www.mercht.com/c/shutup-morrissey

I would do anything for my Muslim friends, and I know they would do anything for me.

In view of this, there is only one British political party that can safeguard our security.

That party is For Britain.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯