Dear Morrissey . . .

it really doesn't matter from that POV how the cow has been treated up to that point

a guy I know who's been one of the major voices for animal welfare now does some work that involves just comforting animals who are being taken to slaughter. giving them water (since no-one else will), drying them off if they're sweating from their long, cramped transport. I think a lot of thinking in recent years has been toward "are our practices reducing animal suffering?" -- since reducing animal death is always going to rely on individuals' decisions.

my god, that is an amazing thing to do jclc

I think he comes across as a person who only cares about the suffering of animals insofar as it provides a vehicle for white supremacist preening

It gives him another reason to despise people who aren't Morrissey.

lots of people cannot afford to be vegetarians, it is quite an expensive lifestyle choice

meat is expensive and a huge unsustainable waste of resources. if our political & economic systems weren't set up to pump money into animal agriculture industries and deprive poor communities of access to fresh food then vegetarianism would be the cheaper lifestyle choice. depending on your situation it might currently be cheaper!

I'll admit are all sorts of environmental wrongs attached to meat consumption and too much of it is consumed in the West. But it is cheaper, particularly in the Asian supermarket I use, in which I have never seen any vegetarian options. And I'm dirt poor right now and expecting things to get worse tbh.

I reckon the absolute ridicule that was heaped on Morrissey's novel a few years back must have really bruised that monumental ego of his. But perhaps it wasn't a formative moment, like Hitler being told to fuck off by the Vienna school. He was already an established arsehole at this point. But he might have a similar messiah complex. All these forces working against this great misunderstood artist and not recognising his unparalleled genius etc..

being vegetarian is extremely cheap for me but it depends on ones tolerance for porridge, congee and beans as 90% of your diet

porridge, congee and beans

First-draft name for what became Earth, Wind & Fire.

haha

that sounds totally fucking unpalatable, Jim, but I wouldn't doubt you feel very healthy on that diet.

well I'm regular anyway

Calz, I’m in a very huge tarka dal phase at the moment which is a bonus because it’s so cheap to make - the Asians who are your neighbours live on dal and rice so if you’ve got all the usual Asian spices plus chilli/garlic/ginger and onion/tomato, you’re in business.

Protip: in the weeks before Ramadan and Diwali, 5k bags of basmati rice are £5 and so many store cupboard ingredients that Asian families use are also on offer at those times. SUCK ON THAT, MOZ.

If anybody is so distraught they're contemplating selling their Smiths / Moz vinyl, let me know. I've got a couple singles missing in my collection that I'd like to fill.

Oh Jesus I don't have time to read 80 something posts but as the starter of this thread I guess I am curious as to what he's done now. Can someone please summarize?

xxp

Cheers Suzy. I got wise wise to the sacks of rice (and the 7.5kg sacks of rooster potatoes for under £3!). I've got everything bar the split peas and the tomatoes for a tarka dal. Will try one on Thursday got some nice chilli con carne to reheat tomorrow. Moz really wouldn't approve of my local supermarket, they close for an hour for prayers every friday!

it's all in this one post enbb:

Dear Morrissey . . .

I've spent an embarrassing amount of time today contemplating a fantasy in which doctors discover a large benign tumor pressing on Morrissey's frontal lobe, and after having it removed, he wakes up on the operating table and exclaims "I said what about Hitler???? I said WHAT about Chinese people???? I TOOK "ROY'S KEEN" OFF THE MALADJUSTED REISSUE???????"

Back in reality, meanwhile, he has finally completed his inevitable transformation into a full-on Fox News grandpa.

Dear Morrissey,

You're a fucking idiot.

Not Yours Anymore,

Erica

xpost - thank you N

I'm not really surprised by his racism so much as his stupidity, he really is a dolt.

xpost - tbc it's not like I've only just realized this

"what did he do now": the morrissey thread

@'ing Nick B, thanks for all your excellent points

I have some responses but I think they're just derail-y

Johnny Marr is back in MCR since a few years ago.

― suzy, Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:29 PM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

let it be known that I first parsed this as My Chemical Romance and was very confused

I did the same.

I was (ovo-lacto) vegetarian until my mid-20s and I didn't find it more expensive at all? I don't think lentils and tofu are more expensive than meat? Not saying I'm going back.

Tofu is very expensive in the UK! But lentils are dirt cheap yeah. But I also have to cook for a 16 year with autism, which is a tough gig, believe me! I'd happily buy shitloads of beans and pulses and chickpeas and keep it simple, in fact I try to do that - but when you cook things that don't get eaten and the dog can't have them because of the garlic/onions it feels like a dreadful waste.

Does he actually not think that halal meat existed before ISIS btw? I'm trying to wrap my head around that one.

He would know that, he grew up in the UK after all, Muslims aren't exactly a novelty, I don't what he's talking about tbh.

No point trying to find any sense in this fool's pronouncements. Or any logic to his spiel at all, he's just an incredibly stupid narcissist + racist twat who was over-indulged for too long.

i can't find anything about this supposed For Britain animal rights policy fwiw

Another group called Britain First murdered an MP in cold blood in the street a couple of years back. I didn't hear Morrissey's views on that incident.

"In modern Britain everyone seems petrified to officially say what we all say in private. Politicians tell us they are unafraid, but they are never the victims. How easy to be unafraid when one is protected from the line of fire. The people have no such protections."

fwiw

How easy to be unafraid when one is protected from the line of fire - Morrissey

Re: For Britain's animal rights policy - not sure if they're even properly set up as a party or ever will be, so individual policies is a bit of a stretch. Guessing he's in regular contact with Anne Marie Waters and she agrees with him about this stuff, and that's about it.

I am kind of grimly fascinated with her as a person who manages to be Irish, a lesbian and LGBT activist, a self-identified feminist, a former director of the National Secular Society, but also a straight-up fascist, on the board of Pegida UK and with connections to every British far-right or white nationalist group you can think of. How does she manage to square those things? Is this something we're going to see more of in the future?

End the live export of animals;
End religious slaughter;
Prioritise a culture of animal welfare in agriculture;

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/forbritain/pages/113/attachments/original/1519030879/Manfiesto_2.pdf?1519030879

xp she is very confusing - a British nationalist from Dublin, someone who was in contention to be a Labour parliamentary candidate four or five years ago but who didn’t get the gig and defected to UKIP, so weird, so contrary

I guess that Irish blood, English heart nonsense of Morrissey’s would have appealed to her anyway

That is quite a policy document right there. Who in their right mind would support that apparently random mix of reactionary tabloid fascism and half-digested social democracy? Apart from Morrissey ofc.

Maybe she's in the Moseley mode of just shopping around ideologies looking for someone to give her power before ending up a fascist.

Re: For Britain's animal rights policy - not sure if they're even properly set up as a party or ever will be, so individual policies is a bit of a stretch. Guessing he's in regular contact with Anne Marie Waters and she agrees with him about this stuff, and that's about it.

I didn't know that she was either Irish (!) or a former Labour member. She was shortlisted in Brighton Pavilion in 2013 when her views were already known by the party!
http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2013/07/19/labour-poised-to-choose-parliamentary-candidate-for-brighton-pavilion/22599/

But I suppose it's no less contradictory than Morrissey being a massive racist to almost every group out there but yet seeming to be supportive of his Mexican fans?

no principle is so horrifying that money won't cause him to overlook it

But I suppose it's no less contradictory than Morrissey being a massive racist to almost every group out there but yet seeming to be supportive of his Mexican fans?

― gyac, Tuesday, April 17, 2018 3:51 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in a documentary from years back he talks about how much he loves his mexican fans but mentions their beautiful teeth and hair, like he was talking about a breed of dog he liked. weird creep

Convenience-food vegetarian can be quite pricey. My 2 stepkids are veg (and ones also coeliac on top of that urgh) and sometimes, one is too exhausted after work to cook a meal of fresh veg/beans, so the easy thing is an Amys burrito or a few of the Vegie Delights pakoras on some rice, but 1 burrito is $5 fucking dollars and one tiny bag of frozen pakoras is $7.

a former director of the National Secular Society, but also a straight-up fascist

I don't know anything much about the national secular society, are they *those* kind of secular people?

i mean i'm basing this on their being called the 'national secular society' but every single member is basically pat condell

Yeah, a vegetarian diet can be more labour-intensive because it's not compatible with easily available convenience food options, and it doesn't make sense for a lot of people (I obv decided that it doesn't for me) but I just don't think it makes sense to frame it as an essentially privileged lifestyle choice. There are loads of vegetarians in India who are significantly poorer than most working-class Anglo-Americans.

Doesn't the demand of a huge vegetarian population of Hindus in India drive down the price of it a bit though? I wouldn't call it a privileged lifestyle choice there, it is completely different there, I agree.

i mean i'm basing this on their being called the 'national secular society' but every single member is basically pat condell

... who I'd never heard of till right now. I see he's Irish too.

Please please please let me get what i want (a racially homogenous white ethnostate)

What does he see in her?

(those are adaptations of smiths song lyrics, do u see)